OT: Coronavirus XXXV: Y'all Got Any More of Them Vaccines?

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oilers'72

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Why? It’s not illegal and they still have to follow all the safety and quarantine protocols

As long as the polish is sanitized.;)

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bellagiobob

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R values from January 4 to January 10 (confidence interval)

  • Alberta provincewide: 0.90 (0.87-0.92)
  • Edmonton Zone: 0.80 (0.76-0.82)
  • Calgary Zone: 0.96 (0.92-1.00)
  • Rest of Alberta: 0.97 (0.93-1.01)
 
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100% would allow them before me. Their jobs put them at way higher risk than what I do, so if it's about controlling spread, then they should be before me.

However, I don't believe they should be getting doses before the groups with the highest risk of severe outcomes or those who care for those groups.
 
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Sensmileletsgo

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Seems like they are doing much less testing these days
By “they” do you mean us Albertans? Or is the government not testing people?

I wonder if it’s because more people are working at home (as mandated). So if you have mild symptoms, you just stay home, where as when you had to go to the office and had mild symptoms, you would go and get tested.
 
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bone

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My thoughts on jumping the cue. If vaccines are available from manufacturers, which are not sold to some government, then if an organization or company can purchase, source and pay to administer the vaccine to their member/employees then go for it.

That would likely be their plan. The issue people would have right now, is that there isn't enough supply to meet the demands of procurement contracts already established by governments, so in theory giving it to the private enterprise would be seen as jumping the queue.
 

Drivesaitl

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Seems like they are doing much less testing these days
Being that all the testing now is either for symptomatic or required, lower testing also exhibits that there has been lower demand for tests, meaning less people having symptoms and wanting a test. That said Yesterday was not a work day, it was a Sunday and the testers have been working long and hard, and this had been rolled out throughout Xmas.

The province doesn't get credit for anything like this but testing has been available every day. Maybe they took a bit of a breather on a sunday but demand has fallen back quite a lot since they were doing 20K tests a day. In any case positive rates is also lower than it was, also good.

Any news on tracking? have they been catching up on contact tracing at all. I would expect so with 2-3 weeks of much lower numbers.
 

oilers'72

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This will be of interest to those who say that a vaccine is a cure-all with no major side effects (also to @BlueCheeseWithWings ):

Circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 – Sudan

Vaccine-derived polio spreads in Africa after defeat of wild virus

And who was involved with this vaccine?:

Wild Polio is Declared Eradicated from Africa

"In addition to Rotary International, the initiative includes national governments, WHO, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; UNICEF; the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; and long-term supporters."

Oops.
 

Stoneman89

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Kenney also said they are vaccinating about 4000 people/day, and will probably run out if they are not -re-supplied in the next week. Over to you, Junior.

He also mentioned that by March, they fully expect to have the capability to vaccinate 200,000 people/week dependent on availability. That will move things forward rather quickly. The provinces are finally figuring out how to vaccinate in massive numbers, and getting better at it with each passing week. The only wildcard in all this, is the Feds ability to keep the shelves full.
 

Drivesaitl

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So we were speculating on how it would be reported Nationally when its been revealed that Alberta is again rocking its pandemic response and doing much better than every other populated province in the nation.

But this is the kind of AP story that you get, and carried by our own Edmonton Sun. (we deserve better reporting)

THE TALE OF TWO PANDEMICS: Provincial COVID-19 case numbers suggest growing disparity | Edmonton Sun

So instead of showcasing Alberta numbers in a positive light, and that they are improved, and say comparing them to other prairie provinces the article compares us to New Brunswick. Always to make us look bad. The article makes no mention that virtually all of the NB cases are isolated to Fredericton with a population of 55K Alberta has over 80X the population of that city. But the article has to make Alberta look bad so..;

And on the same day that Alberta recorded 811 new cases of the novel coronavirus, New Brunswick had 14 — a massive gap even taking the large population differences into account.

Yesterday the Sun ran a lame "Where is Kenney hiding" cartoon.

People say the Sun is pro right? Not with any regularity.

Could there be one MSM source that reports fairly on Alberta? I keep looking.
 

rboomercat90

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@AM had a good link about the abandonment of an emergency response plan and, instead, letting the health ministries be in charge.

“Every Store and School Should be Open.” Confronting the Pandemic with Confidence | C2C Journal

Before Covid-19, there was 9-11. And the morning after the world changed on September 11, 2001, David Redman, Director of Community Programs for Emergency Management Alberta, found himself in Edmonton with 26 other experts representing key government and private sector interests grappling with how the province should respond to this new terrorist threat.

"We spent the first two hours brainstorming, everyone just threw all their ideas on the table,” Redman recalls today. “As a result, we had a million ideas sitting there and no one had a clue what to do with them.” When the other attendees took a much-needed coffee break, Redman got busy with the white board – diagramming, charting and arranging the disparate thoughts into a matrix of five organizational groupings and ten crucial activities. “That’s how you write a plan,” he says, speaking from experience.

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Redman retired as executive director of the Alberta Emergency Management Agency in 2005.

At the risk of stating the obvious, Redman knows how to plan for an emergency, and how to put plans into action. His accumulated military and civil expertise – as well as two science degrees – is not merely interesting and impressive, it is extremely well-suited to evaluating and critiquing Canada’s current response to Covid-19.
Unfortunately, no one in charge seems interested in hearing Redman’s advice. A series of detailed plans he offered to Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, and later to all the other premiers through the Council of the Federation, have either been completely ignored or passed off as old news. Rather than let a lifetime’s experience go to waste, C2C Journal’s Peter Shawn Taylor sat down with Redman last week to learn the basic rules of emergency planning, the many catastrophic mistakes our governments have made to date and how to shift the focus of Canada’s Covid-19 response from fear to confidence before it’s too late.

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DR: When an emergency happens, you need a process to create a plan, and then you need to follow that plan. Since the 1950s every government in this country has had a set of emergency plans: what to do in the case of a forest fire, flood, dangerous goods accident or pandemic etc. These are all updated regularly. Alberta’s pandemic plan was last updated in 2014.
But what happened in the middle of March when Covid-19 appeared on our shores after wreaking havoc in China, Italy, Spain and France? Governments took every plan they’d ever written and threw them all out the window. No one followed the process. They panicked, put the doctors in change and hid for three months. And now, having made that mistake, we can’t get out of it.
C2C: Why is it a mistake to put doctors in charge of a pandemic?
DR: The short answer is that a pandemic is not a public health emergency. It is a public emergency. These are two very different things. Public health emergencies are best used for local outbreaks of disease. An outbreak of measles in a single community that can be isolated could be considered a public health emergency. A provincewide or nationwide pandemic should never be declared a public health emergency because the powers that you need and the people who are going to be affected go far beyond the health care system. It affects every citizen, every industry, every non-profit organization. Everything.
This might be the most under-rated post of all these Covid threads combined. This is what people should be talking about.
 
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BoldNewLettuce

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Kenney also said they are vaccinating about 4000 people/day, and will probably run out if they are not -re-supplied in the next week. Over to you, Junior.

He also mentioned that by March, they fully expect to have the capability to vaccinate 200,000 people/week dependent on availability. That will move things forward rather quickly. The provinces are finally figuring out how to vaccinate in massive numbers, and getting better at it with each passing week. The only wildcard in all this, is the Feds ability to keep the shelves full.

On what planet do people think Canada would ethically get more vaccines per capita then another country with no domestic producer... which you'd think would be years away even if everyone tried to support creating a Canadian vaccine.
 

nabob

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So we were speculating on how it would be reported Nationally when its been revealed that Alberta is again rocking its pandemic response and doing much better than every other populated province in the nation.

But this is the kind of AP story that you get, and carried by our own Edmonton Sun. (we deserve better reporting)

THE TALE OF TWO PANDEMICS: Provincial COVID-19 case numbers suggest growing disparity | Edmonton Sun

So instead of showcasing Alberta numbers in a positive light, and that they are improved, and say comparing them to other prairie provinces the article compares us to New Brunswick. Always to make us look bad. The article makes no mention that virtually all of the NB cases are isolated to Fredericton with a population of 55K Alberta has over 80X the population of that city. But the article has to make Alberta look bad so..;

And on the same day that Alberta recorded 811 new cases of the novel coronavirus, New Brunswick had 14 — a massive gap even taking the large population differences into account.

Yesterday the Sun ran a lame "Where is Kenney hiding" cartoon.

People say the Sun is pro right? Not with any regularity.

Could there be one MSM source that reports fairly on Alberta? I keep looking.

thats the equivalent of having the Oilers play against a midget team and then spend the entire article trashing the kids team for getting beat so badly. It’s comparing apples to bananas.
There really is no integrity left in journalism or 99% of the MSM. Sad part is that a huge number of people will read that article and think it’s great journalism :baghead:
 

Dorian2

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So we were speculating on how it would be reported Nationally when its been revealed that Alberta is again rocking its pandemic response and doing much better than every other populated province in the nation.

But this is the kind of AP story that you get, and carried by our own Edmonton Sun. (we deserve better reporting)

THE TALE OF TWO PANDEMICS: Provincial COVID-19 case numbers suggest growing disparity | Edmonton Sun

So instead of showcasing Alberta numbers in a positive light, and that they are improved, and say comparing them to other prairie provinces the article compares us to New Brunswick. Always to make us look bad. The article makes no mention that virtually all of the NB cases are isolated to Fredericton with a population of 55K Alberta has over 80X the population of that city. But the article has to make Alberta look bad so..;

And on the same day that Alberta recorded 811 new cases of the novel coronavirus, New Brunswick had 14 — a massive gap even taking the large population differences into account.

Yesterday the Sun ran a lame "Where is Kenney hiding" cartoon.

People say the Sun is pro right? Not with any regularity.

Could there be one MSM source that reports fairly on Alberta? I keep looking.

And people wonder why I don't follow the news. Live and learn I guess.
 
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CycloneSweep

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This will be of interest to those who say that a vaccine is a cure-all with no major side effects (also to @BlueCheeseWithWings ):

Circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 – Sudan

Vaccine-derived polio spreads in Africa after defeat of wild virus

And who was involved with this vaccine?:

Wild Polio is Declared Eradicated from Africa

"In addition to Rotary International, the initiative includes national governments, WHO, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; UNICEF; the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; and long-term supporters."

Oops.
The vaccine for covid is very different than those.
Those other vaccines essentially carry a live virus but in a small amount that it helps your body see it, recognize to and destroy it.

The MRNA works very different.
 

CycloneSweep

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So we were speculating on how it would be reported Nationally when its been revealed that Alberta is again rocking its pandemic response and doing much better than every other populated province in the nation.

But this is the kind of AP story that you get, and carried by our own Edmonton Sun. (we deserve better reporting)

THE TALE OF TWO PANDEMICS: Provincial COVID-19 case numbers suggest growing disparity | Edmonton Sun

So instead of showcasing Alberta numbers in a positive light, and that they are improved, and say comparing them to other prairie provinces the article compares us to New Brunswick. Always to make us look bad. The article makes no mention that virtually all of the NB cases are isolated to Fredericton with a population of 55K Alberta has over 80X the population of that city. But the article has to make Alberta look bad so..;

And on the same day that Alberta recorded 811 new cases of the novel coronavirus, New Brunswick had 14 — a massive gap even taking the large population differences into account.

Yesterday the Sun ran a lame "Where is Kenney hiding" cartoon.

People say the Sun is pro right? Not with any regularity.

Could there be one MSM source that reports fairly on Alberta? I keep looking.
I mean Postmedia is a right wing company. 2 years ago the CEO said it wasn't conservative enough, put someone in charge of all the political reporting to make it reliably conservative. It's even mostly owned by an American company that has strong ties to he Republican Party.

Imo it's funny that the same company owns both major Edmonton papers and it's owned by an American company.

The Edmonton Sun having that story makes no sense though. The guy who wrote it is from Halifax, which explains the entire article.
 
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