OT: Coronavirus XXXV: Y'all Got Any More of Them Vaccines?

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  1. nabob Lucky 13!!

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    That’s not how it works. They don’t just have it sit on a shelf for two weeks...the vaccines get used as they come in.
     
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    Yep. precisely. There would be a backlog by now of those waiting, already, for their second dose. It wouldn't be a matter of holding at all.
     
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  3. DecadeofDarkness one of the 99.95%

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    say if Alberta gets 100,000 doses...the original plan was to only inject 50,000 people because the vaccine requires 2 doses
    essentially, they're "keeping" 50,000 doses for round #2 instead of giving those 50,000 to new people
     
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    I’d prefer if the Feds keep their word and we don’t have to make that choice. Time will tell.
     
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    The whole idea of a vaccine that takes two doses for it to be effective is that people need two doses. I really don’t see what you’re trying to say here. Are you advocating that no one should ever get a second dose because that might hold someone up from getting their first???

    this is where actual management and supply chain is so important. If the federal government can’t meet their promises then it puts the entire country in a bind with lives at stake. This is why the groundwork and the acquisition of vaccines was so important. This is why I can’t just accept people giving the feds a free pass for not coming through.
     
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  6. DecadeofDarkness one of the 99.95%

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    I'm saying I don't mind extending the wait period for the 2nd dose...thus instead of giving people the next dose after 2 weeks, you give those allocated for their 2nd dose to new people

    the 1st dose is approx. 52% effective....if we were to vaccinate 100,000 people with 1 dose, 52,000 will be immune
    if we instead only vaccinate 50,000 people for 2 doses, that's only 47,500 immune (95% effective)

    52,000 > 47,500....simple math ;)
     
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    Their response is.."we have given you everything we got.....by jumping the queue of vaccine approvals." "Now we get what we can"
     
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    You can still give that second dose to other people. It doesn’t have to just sit there collecting dust like you keep on saying...

    I guess if you want to pretend like you know more about the vaccine than the people who developed it that say the 2nd dose has to be given two weeks after the first. Maybe you should be developing ground breaking vaccines and making medical breakthroughs instead of posting on a hockey forum.
     
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  9. DecadeofDarkness one of the 99.95%

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    I’m not saying I know more about the vaccine lol
    All I’m saying I agree with provinces delaying the 2nd dose
    Sorry if that bothers you
     
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    Sorry if having a discussion bothers you. We can agree to disagree that going against the vaccine makers expert recommendations is the right thing.
     
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    Canada is pretty much middle of the pack in terms of vaccines/capita for developed nations. What were you guys expecting?

    Vaccinations will hopefully ramp up a bit as more companies start developing their own vaccines.
     
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    Trudeau promised in September that we would be first in line for vaccines. So I expect him to live up to that promise. Thought it was pretty bold at the time.
     
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    Money talks, Trudeau walks.
     
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    Doubt we'll be first in line for anything. I do believe with production ramping up for existing vaccines, and other vaccines seeing good results we will see the light at the end of this dang tunnel approach faster than we thought!

    Have a good night I downed 15mg of melatonin
     
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    I agree that we won't be first in line, and if he had simply said that we would hopefully be the top 10 as far as procurement, then there wouldn't be an issue. But he went bold, do it's fair to question him on that now. Have a good sleep!
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Kenney say they'd give businesses a one week notice before opening up?

    If true, then does that mean today we should be hearing from him on whether restrictions are staying or being lifted?
     
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    "Kenney said"
    "True"

    None of that goes together well.
     
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    Yup. But with hospital numbers still stubbornly high, I don’t expect any restrictions to be lifted for a while.
     
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    The problem with this approach is that in order to protect the population you may need 70-80% of the people effectively vaccinated. Moreover a big unknown is the duration of protection. The second dose isthought to extend the duration significantly. So the risk is you will have to start all over again.

    If you want your hambuger today you still have to pay me on Tuesday!
     
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    Reads much like an opinion piece.

    It doesn't feel like inaction as we do have a crap ton of vaccines ordered, more per capita than others. It does seem like they just hitched their horse to the wrong vaccine and he was left scrambling.

    So more of a bad decision than inaction.
     
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    They didn't jump any que. They had a bunch of countries move in front of them while they chased Chinese vaccines, and then had to get back in line. Your last sentence is correct, however.
     
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    numbers dropping everywhere in the province for 3-4 weeks except in hospitals.

    community numbers not even half what they were. In Edmonton a fraction of what they were, for weeks, hospitals still full. ICU even increasing hmmmm
     
  24. NeverForget06 Here we go again !

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    I would be interested to see the numbers for new admissions to hospital and ICU versus those who have been there for a substantial period of time.

    I have no idea how any of this actually works, but perhaps now that cases are down and I would assume there are less new admissions, patients are staying longer? Without the continued strain, hospitals are able to keep patients in for longer without needing to strain resources? A patient who would have been sent home in December to recover there is now kept in hospital for more supervision because they are able?
     
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    Some of the restrictions are being lifted on Monday. I think it was the salons, tattoo parlors, etc. Also, increasing the number of people at gatherings. Still nothing on a lot of other industries.
     

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