In the previous thread you'd mentioned that those under 70 are doing quite good.
You're now changing the topic to 50-59 age group specifically? I never specifically referenced that age group. Nor did I state that under 70 was 50-50.
Going back to your prior claim, lets look at 60-69 cohort just for example. 144 in that age cohort admitted to ICU in Alberta. The age Cohort also has had 67 deaths. By no means an insignificant number.
However the ICU and Death columns are mutually exclusive. it is possible that some of those deaths were not in ICU at all.
But, my comment about 50-50 was in regards to the sum of all severe ICU cases. Like the ones that have to be intubated, put in coma. Those don't do well.
It would be nice if AHS released specific data on ICU deaths and recoveries specifically. That graph isn't what you think it is. Its all deaths per age group, in the death section, not just ICU ones, for clarity. Pay attention to the main headings. I can understand the confusion, the bars on the graph should be separated or line barred into different sections. It can be confusing on initial looks.
Anyway I did mention that in the Fall as AHS had more information on treatment modalities that the success rate went up. Alberta was fortunate in that regard as we didn't get the huge amount of cases in the spring like most jurisdictions. We had some more time to prepare, and have had better results.
Overall Alberta has done a better job than comparable jurisdictions keeping deaths down. WE won't know about other toll and calamity and long term effects for quite awhile in this pandemic.
Yes. If you are under 70, your chances of surviving ICU admission is not dire. It’s not 50/50. It’s not even close.
The 50-59 age group example was to illustrate how incredibly wrong your statement about ICU care was.
This is just incredible. You are presented real numbers that clearly show you are wrong about your ICU assertions and you can’t even deal with that. Instead, you go on some ridiculous tangent about misunderstanding numbers that aren’t saying what they say or some other baffling word salad.
If some of the deaths weren’t admitted to the ICU, that makes your statements on ICU care even more ridiculous.
Total ICU admissions age under 70 - 332
Total deaths age under 70 - 96
Just with those numbers 28.9%. That doesn’t take into account any deaths that would have no ICU admissions in that range. If there are, that number actually gets better.
This is exactly what you said:
Also "positive patient outcomes" among Covid ICU patients? Again we're not talking about great results there, even with the highly specialized Covid ICU care people are trying to say is so indispensable and such a game changer. I wish it was.
The reality is if you enter ICU with Covid its not a great prognosis even with the best care. If that even exists HERE at this point.
This is just a complete and total falsehood. 100% wrong.
This is even worse:
4) So what is frequently being misrepresented here is how much skill is required to work in COVID ICU (versus more typical ICU where more nursing skill is required.)
The unintuitive result of a novel pandemic is that basic hospital treatment started just being primarily palliative in nature or over interventions like intubation and Ventilation which were actually resulting in worse patient prognosis. Several studies found this as early as spring. Basically with a Novel pandemic lots of mistakes are made in treatment. Quite simply areas of expertise are limited. Lets not pretend there is specialized staff teams here well adept at Covid-19.
Absolutely not true on any level. There isn’t “less nursing care” required when dealing with an COVID ICU patient in acute respiratory distress. This is so ridiculous I had to read it twice to actually understand what you were saying.
You don’t understand that acute respiratory care is a specialized training? There isn’t some ridiculously ‘easier COVID-style” of ICU care.
Here’s the kicker:
So finally yes, a pandemic of a Century is a terrible affliction. But if you do end up in ICU here the prognosis is not good, probably around 50-50 in Alberta, even with totally adequate staffing. Lets not pretend they're amazingly saving so many critical patients.
Again, completely untrue.
How on earth is this so hard?