OT: Coronavirus XXXI: Tighter Alberta Restrictions Through The Holiday Season, Stay Safe Everyone

[Raab]

I've provided multiple quotes from frontline people that lay out what the struggles are.

There's also the fact that there has only been a 30 bed increase so far, as the article clearly says.

Again, you think it's basically a hospital is a hotel, so that goes a long way to helping your argument.

If the front lines are so concerned I'd recommend they call their union and college, and tell them to start reinstating people.

 

[nabob]

I've provided multiple quotes from frontline people that lay out what the struggles are.

There's also the fact that there has only been a 30 bed increase so far, as the article clearly says.

Again, you think it's basically a hospital is a hotel, so that goes a long way to helping your argument.

again, I was trying to simplify things to something really basic so you could understand. But once again you choose to take the stance that you know how to run AHS and hospitals better than the people who are currently in charge lol.

 

[nabob]

If the front lines are so concerned I'd recommend they call their union and college, and tell them to start reinstating people.

There were well over 400 qualified people who applied for the 36 positions currently available. Ol Jase or Ol’ Jase was exaggerating pretty bad when he claimed that “Most of the ICU and acute care specialty nursing staff recently laid off/retired have already been called back into rotations.”

not sure why he’s trying to create panic and spread misinformation like that, when the articles he links clearly (once again) prove him wrong. Sad when people like him pretend to know more than Hinshaw and people who run our healthcare system.

 

[Ol' Jase]

That’s a cool story but that talks about how there’s 36 staff needed and hundreds stepped up to offer. Doesn’t exactly back up your claim that “Most of the ICU and acute care specialty nursing staff recently laid off/retired have already been called back into rotations.” It actually says that less than 10% of the people who quickly offered are filling positions.

once again you quote an article that proves what you said what terribly inaccurate.

Holy f***.

Not every health care worker can work in ICU. The available staff fully certified to work in the required slots have been recalled.

This is really mind-boggling now. Things have been quoted and repeated over and over and over again for you.

You think a hospital is a hotel. Let's just leave it at that.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Look at the graph I posted, I'm sorry but with the average age of 82 for mortality it's not a decade these people are losing.

Well, yes, when you qualify your statement using a statistically dependent variable, it does appear that the years of life lost isn't a decade.

 

[Ol' Jase]

There were well over 400 qualified people who applied for the 36 positions currently available. Ol Jase or Ol’ Jase was exaggerating pretty bad when he claimed that “Most of the ICU and acute care specialty nursing staff recently laid off/retired have already been called back into rotations.”

not sure why he’s trying to create panic and spread misinformation like that, when the articles he links clearly (once again) prove him wrong.

They weren't all qualified ICU staff, and the article doesn't say that. That's a complete lie on your part.

 

[nabob]

Holy f***.

Not every health care worker can work in ICU. The available staff fully certified to work in the required slots have been recalled.

This is really mind-boggling now. Things have been quoted and repeated over and over and over again for you.

You think a hospital is a hotel. Let's just leave it at that.

that’s not what the link you posted says at all. How many times do I need to quote your own links to you that prove you wrong lol.

...guessing this is where you make up some straw man argument again. Tell me that I only care about myself. Call me a hillbilly Covid denier and a bunch of other names.

 

[Raab]

Holy f***.

Not every health care worker can work in ICU. The available staff fully certified to work in the required slots have been recalled.

This is really mind-boggling now. Things have been quoted and repeated over and over and over again for you.

You think a hospital is a hotel. Let's just leave it at that.

Lol, no I know theres lots of healthcare professionals on the sidelines because of CARNA and UNA. You guys aren't hurting that bad. If you we're we'd all be called back.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Lol, no I know theres lots of healthcare professionals on the sidelines because of CARNA and UNA. You guys aren't hurting that bad. If you we're we'd all be called back.

Wow.

 

[nabob]

They weren't all qualified ICU staff, and the article doesn't say that. That's a complete lie on your part.

The article doesn’t say what you claimed. Show me where it says all available staff who are certified in the required slots have been recalled. It clearly says every position needed has been filled. Not that every person available has been recalled.

 

[nabob]

They weren't all qualified ICU staff, and the article doesn't say that. That's a complete lie on your part.

I never claimed they were qualified ICU staff. I claimed they were qualified staff.

“Alberta Health Services (AHS) says 46 retired physicians have registered to step back onto the front lines and about 400 retired nurses, licenced practioner nurses and respiratory therapists have reached out to offer help.”

sure not all are ICU qualified. But that’s an argument you invented which I never said. I can’t be lying about something I never said.

 

[Ol' Jase]

The article doesn’t say what you claimed. Show me where it says all available staff who are certified in the required slots have been recalled. It clearly says every position needed has been filled. Not that every person available has been recalled.

The multiple positions that require to be filled are being done through a intensive hiring/crash course ICU training with other specialties. As those resources are drawn from, other areas suffer.

Most of the specialist ICU staff or respiratory specialist staff available that are still fully certified have been recalled or have declined return. That is why crash course training is happening.

 

[Ol' Jase]

I never claimed they were qualified ICU staff. I claimed they were qualified staff.

“Alberta Health Services (AHS) says 46 retired physicians have registered to step back onto the front lines and about 400 retired nurses, licenced practioner nurses and respiratory therapists have reached out to offer help.”

sure not all are ICU qualified. But that’s an argument you invented which I never said. I can’t be lying about something I never said.

But you said they were qualified for the positions that needed filling. You did say that clearly. You said 400 qualified people applied for 36 positions. Those are you exact words.

You're lying again.

ICU staff need to be qualified to work in an ICU. You don't seem to understand that, and that's pretty simple. I said that the ICU/respiratory staff available have been asked and recalled if they chose to or not. Again, pretty clear.

 

[nabob]

The multiple positions that require to be filled are being done through a intensive hiring/crash course ICU training with other specialties. As those resources are drawn from, other areas suffer.

Most of the specialist ICU staff or respiratory specialist staff available that are still fully certified have been recalled or have declined return. That is why crash course training is happening.

that’s not at all what the article you linked says...

me thinks this is just you once again spreading false information. It’s how you entered the thread earlier today and it’s how you continue to post. It’s sad, and I’ve had enough of it. The links you post continually prove you to be wrong, they don’t back up the claims you’re making. You continually deny the words of Hinshaw and the people running our healthcare system. And when proven wrong you resort to petty insults and straw man arguments. I’ve had enough for one day. Later.

 

[Ol' Jase]

that’s not at all what the article you linked says...

me thinks this is just you once again spreading false information. It’s how you entered the thread earlier today and it’s how you continue to post. It’s sad, and I’ve had enough of it. The links you post continually prove you to be wrong, they don’t back up the claims you’re making. You continually deny the words of Hinshaw and the people running our healthcare system. And when proven wrong you resort to petty insults and straw man arguments. I’ve had enough for one day. Later.

But I'm dealing with a liar, so it makes it hard to explain things any slower or clearer.

I've posted multiple quotes and feedback from multiple people in the field and you just ignore it. Then, you wildly move goalposts and make insane comparisons. Then, you outright lie about what you're saying.

You're just a run-of-the-mill guy who doesn't have a clue what's really happening but needs to pretend he does. Again, it's no longer surprising, it's pretty funny. The "think of hotel catering" will never get old.

 

[nabob]

But you said they were qualified for the positions that needed filling. You did say that clearly. You said 400 qualified people applied for 36 positions. Those are you exact words.

You're lying again.

ICU staff need to be qualified to work in an ICU. You don't seem to understand that, and that's pretty simple.

the article you linked clearly said that over 400 qualified people have offered to come back to work and that only 36 positions were needed to be filled and all have been filled. It says nothing of every single qualified ICU worker being already in rotation like you claimed... that was you lying.

I didnt lie, I repeated what your link said. A link that you posted to try to back up the lie you have said multiple times. A link that does nothing to corroborate your claim that every single qualified ICU worker has been recalled and is currently in rotation working.

 

[Ninety7]

Lol, no I know theres lots of healthcare professionals on the sidelines because of CARNA and UNA. You guys aren't hurting that bad. If you we're we'd all be called back.

Do you have a statistic to back this up?

also if you’re referring to yearly registration practice requirements as a barrier for RN’s to get licensed then I think that’s just false.

People literally put “Did modules online” and get renewed.

I don’t think UNA or CARNA make it difficult to practice unless you’re not in good standing.

 

[Raab]

But you said they were qualified for the positions that needed filling. You did say that clearly. You said 400 qualified people applied for 36 positions. Those are you exact words.

You're lying again.

ICU staff need to be qualified to work in an ICU. You don't seem to understand that, and that's pretty simple. I said that the ICU/respiratory staff available have been asked and recalled if they chose to or not. Again, pretty clear.

If a person's worked in the ICU and delivered a high level of care, what else do they need to be certified? A couple points showing they read a book, and went to a conference?

 

[Raab]

Do you have a statistic to back this up?

also if you’re referring to yearly registration practice requirements as a barrier for RN’s to get licensed then I think that’s just false.

People literally put “Did modules online” and get renewed.

I don’t think UNA or CARNA make it difficult to practice unless you’re not in good standing.

Not all colleges in healthcare are the same. Many require a lot of credits and proof you did the training. My college for example made it so difficult that you basically can't do the job casual anymore.

 

[nabob]

But I'm dealing with a liar, so it makes it hard to explain things any slower or clearer.

I've posted multiple quotes and feedback from multiple people in the field and you just ignore it. Then, you wildly move goalposts and make insane comparisons. Then, you outright lie about what you're saying.

You're just a run-of-the-mill guy who doesn't have a clue what's really happening but needs to pretend he does. Again, it's no longer surprising, it's pretty funny. The "think of hotel catering" will never get old.

and your just a guy who claims that he knows how to run the healthcare system better than Hinshaw and the people who run AHS. I’m not denying anything that the experts are saying. You’re some random guy on the internet claiming to be an expert lol. I didn’t move any goal posts...I directly quoted the experts in the links you provided lol.

you can’t understand how hotel catering works, but you think you know more than Hinshaw and the heads of AHS lol. It was the most simple comparison I could think of at the time, clearly it was too much for you to comprehend.

 

[bellagiobob]

Alberta now with the lowest provincial R value except for the Atlantic provinces.

 

[Ol' Jase]

the article you linked clearly said that over 400 qualified people have offered to come back to work and that only 36 positions were needed to be filled and all have been filled. It says nothing of every single qualified ICU worker being already in rotation like you claimed... that was you lying.

I didnt lie, I repeated what your link said. A link that you posted to try to back up the lie you have said multiple times. A link that does nothing to corroborate your claim that every single qualified ICU worker has been recalled and is currently in rotation working.

LMFAO.

It doesn't remotely say that. It says 400 retired nurses, LPN and respiratory therapists. It makes absolutely no mention of their qualifications or certifications.

I also never once said every single qualified ICU worker is back in rotation. Another complete lie.

You really lie a lot, don't you?

 

[Raab]

Do you have a statistic to back this up?

also if you’re referring to yearly registration practice requirements as a barrier for RN’s to get licensed then I think that’s just false.

People literally put “Did modules online” and get renewed.

I don’t think UNA or CARNA make it difficult to practice unless you’re not in good standing.

I don't have the registration list, but know first hand many people who no longer have their license, but have worked without incident for many years. The fact is its expensive to keep your registration each year.

 

[nabob]

LMFAO.

It doesn't remotely say that. It says 400 retired nurses, LPN and respiratory therapists. It makes absolutely no mention of their qualifications or certifications.

You really lie a lot, don't you?

So you’re saying those people aren’t qualified at their jobs?

you’re the one who claimed they were ICU qualified, I never said that.

 

[nabob]

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Alberta now with the lowest provincial R value except for the Atlantic provinces.

Calgary right down there with Newfieland and PEI. I’m really hoping the Edmonton numbers continue to come down. Would be a great relief to the healthcare system.