OT: Coronavirus XXIX: Is This Even the Right Damn Roman Numeral? New Measures to Curb Stomp COVID?

[Bryanbryoil]

Gotta say that this has got to be the highest Roman Numeral that I've used in a series of threads. Hopefully Alberta and the rest of Canada and the US can start to stomp the shit out of this damn virus.

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[Senor Catface]

Someone call me when the next 10-15 pages of arguing about Kenney/Notley is done.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Someone call me when the next 10 pages of arguing about Kenney is done.

What is your # and what do I get for wading through the shit to make sure that it is safe for you to return?

That said, last thread was a bit of a cluster because of the political aspect of it. Let's try not to go back down that path now that most everyone had a chance to vent.

 

[Senor Catface]

What is your # and what do I get for wading through the shit to make sure that it is safe for you to return?

That said, last thread was a bit of a cluster because of the political aspect of it. Let's try not to go back down that path now that most everyone had a chance to vent.

My number is the same from that old tame sex chat line commercial that used to pop up on late night TV.

"Pickup up the phoonnneee"

(I'll admit, a very niche joke)

 

[Bryanbryoil]

My number is the same from that old tame sex chat line commercial that used to pop up on late night TV.

"Pickup up the phoonnneee"

(I'll admit, a very niche joke)

Are you Ronda Shear from USA Up All Night? I'll be sure to call you now!

 

[nabob]

Not really as it turned out he was still fund raising for UCP, and attendance of other UCP events. I would call that absent leadership.

he wasn’t in attendance anywhere. He attended a charity fundraiser via zoom and another UCP fundraiser via zoom. There were articles posted yesterday that showed he was isolating as directed due to a close contact with a positive case. Can we end the misinformation about this joke of a “where’s Kenney” campaign here?

sorry @Bryanbryoil. Just wanted to address a post that was right at the end of the previous thread. I’ll leave it at that.

 

[nabob]

My number is the same from that old tame sex chat line commercial that used to pop up on late night TV.

"Pickup up the phoonnneee"

(I'll admit, a very niche joke)

Pretty sure that number is still programmed into my parents house phone...wasn’t much on TV after Sports Night was done on ITV back in the day


Also bonus points for the link you had in there

 

[nabob]

Gotta say that this has got to be the highest Roman Numeral that I've used in a series of threads. Hopefully Alberta and the rest of Canada and the US can start to stomp the shit out of this damn virus.

thats 29 right? Man we really need to get our numbers under control

 

[Frank the Tank]

AstraZeneca facing tough questions and additional scrutiny after admitting a mistake:

After Admitting Mistake, AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine

The positive news is that vaccine biostatisticians noticed the irregularities prior to AZ admitting them. These vaccine data sets will be scrutinized intensely prior to any one of them receiving emergency approval.

 

[bellagiobob]

What is your # and what do I get for wading through the shit to make sure that it is safe for you to return?

That said, last thread was a bit of a cluster because of the political aspect of it. Let's try not to go back down that path now that most everyone had a chance to vent.

And thank you for allowing us the leeway to navigate this pandemic thru discussion, information, humor, etc. There are times it goes off the rails, like most HF threads do, but we eventually get back on course. We all want the same thing, to be done with this virus, and to get somewhat back to our normal lives. We all just approach it differently, and that's okay, as for the most part it's just harmless venting. I don't take anything that somebody says that I disagree with personally. Everybody starts with a fresh slate the next day.*

*Except for the 107 guys I have on ignore.

 

[oobga]

AstraZeneca facing tough questions and additional scrutiny after admitting a mistake:

After Admitting Mistake, AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine

The positive news is that vaccine biostatisticians noticed the irregularities prior to AZ admitting them. These vaccine data sets will be scrutinized intensely prior to any one of them receiving emergency approval.

So, looks like they felt the need to rush to the finish line, probably pressure from other vaccines grabbing headlines.

Thought they had a breakthrough with the half dose for the first shot, but didn't follow that up with more trials and never tested that dosing on elderly.

Odd they can't offer up an explanation why the half dose to start was better. Figured it would have to do with your body being more likely to develop immunity to the viral delivery. I think the Russian vaccine uses a similar method, but to get around that problem they use a different vector in the 2nd dose, so even if you develop immunity against the vector of the 1st dose, doesn't matter. Sputnik V FTW (assuming no side effects ).

 

[bellagiobob]

Family involved in theft of $11M of COVID-19 relief funds, Ontario government claims

Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

 

[WaitingForUser]

And thank you for allowing us the leeway to navigate this pandemic thru discussion, information, humor, etc. There are times it goes off the rails, like most HF threads do, but we eventually get back on course. We all want the same thing, to be done with this virus, and to get somewhat back to our normal lives. We all just approach it differently, and that's okay, as for the most part it's just harmless venting. I don't take anything that somebody says that I disagree with personally. Everybody starts with a fresh slate the next day.*

*Except for the 107 guys I have on ignore.

Agreed!

In saying that **** Kenney

 

[Snipes45]

probably already posted, but I seen that dbag who opened his BBQ joint for the second, has 9 charges against him. Probably worth it to him to express his rights.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Someone call me when the next 10-15 pages of arguing about Kenney/Notley is done.

Would you prefer if Kenney or Notley called you?

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

probably already posted, but I seen that dbag who opened his BBQ joint for the second, has 9 charges against him. Probably worth it to him to express his rights.

Honestly I think he is doing some fabulous marketing.

 

[bellagiobob]

Honestly I think he is doing some fabulous marketing.

Guess it depends on what kind of clientele he's trying to attract. But I guess we already know the answer to that. So ya, probably will attract a few more of the type he's going for.

 

[BlackDogg]

Gotta say that this has got to be the highest Roman Numeral that I've used in a series of threads. Hopefully Alberta and the rest of Canada and the US can start to stomp the shit out of this damn virus.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So, looks like they felt the need to rush to the finish line, probably pressure from other vaccines grabbing headlines.

Thought they had a breakthrough with the half dose for the first shot, but didn't follow that up with more trials and never tested that dosing on elderly.

Odd they can't offer up an explanation why the half dose to start was better. Figured it would have to do with your body being more likely to develop immunity to the viral delivery. I think the Russian vaccine uses a similar method, but to get around that problem they use a different vector in the 2nd dose, so even if you develop immunity against the vector of the 1st dose, doesn't matter. Sputnik V FTW (assuming no side effects ).

worst part is sounds like they didn’t use any elderly people. One way to improve your numbers.

 

[TB12]

Of course! Rocky VII Adrian’s Revenge!

 

[oobga]

worst part is sounds like they didn’t use any elderly people. One way to improve your numbers.

That might still be OK in terms of the efficacy calculation, because you only care about people getting the infection in general, not the outcome, and you find out if the people with your vaccine had less infections. I assume they test these people pretty frequently, so even the asymptomatic infections should be picked up.

But for determining safety of the vaccine, that's pretty bad to change the dosing and not bother to test it with group that is more likely to have complications.

Wonder how much this sets them back. Would be sad if they had to just go forward getting approval for the less effective dosing.

 

[Snipes45]

Honestly I think he is doing some fabulous marketing.

Well he is getting his name out there, that is for sure.

 

[Little Fury]

just gonna do a big dump of replies I was working on as the last thread closed:

and yet, according to data, "small gatherings" like restaurants make up only 3% of known spread in places like LA

Meanwhile:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/10/coronavirus-restaurants-gyms-hotels-risk/
This chart shows the link between restaurant spending and new cases of coronavirus

100% capacity I thought all service industry type businesses were restricted to a certain percentage of capacity?

There is no cap on capacity for restaurants, cafes, pubs and bars, as long as there is a 2 metre distance or appropriate barriers between dining parties.

COVID-19 information : guidance for restaurants, cafes, pubs, and bars - Open Government

That hasn’t changed under the new restrictions, they are just requiring the six people per table be from the same household which I can only say: good luck with that one.

I have repeatedly offer to find and post the studies for you today and every single time you’ve rebuked it. Now you’re wasting someone else’s time asking for it? And you were calling me a troll earlier?

Yeah, because what you’re trying to show me has nothing to do with what we’re talking about, which is how many cases in Alberta are coming from any given setting, which is data that you cannot provide because it does not exist.

It’s so amazing to see these people that have been saying “listen to the experts” for months now saying that the experts are wrong because it in a small way goes against what their beloved political party leader is saying. Can we label them as the new Covid deniers now.

Nobody has said this. You just can’t stop making shit up.

Stoneman said:

Bars have open and stringent conditions and protocols they must follow regarding masking (when there is movement), social distancing, hours, etc and are very easy and transparent to investigate. Do private gatherings have any of this to monitor behaviors?

And without any data whatsoever, we have no idea how effective those measures are, and any policy created in the absence of that data will be more less faith-based.

I really did not think “hey it would be nice to have some data on where these infections are coming from so we can see if the policies being implemented that affect all our lives are actually going to make a difference” would be such a controversial take but here we are!

Bellagiobob said:

They've tried not to discriminate between private indoor gatherings and restaurants/bars. Both have similar restrictions. Both are limited to immediate household members only, or if single, two additional people.

I guarantee virtually no one in the industry is going to enforce that “6 people from the same household” rule in bars and restaurants and any server that tries would probably get canned for costing their boss money.

Directly from the enhanced public health measures webpage:
Maximum of 6 people from the same immediate household at a table and no movement between tables.

Thanks for confirming that prior to today, there were no restrictions on movement, which is exactly what I said.

By the very spacing of their tables due to social distancing, their capacity has been reduced to about 50 % in some cases.

But that was not a legal requirement before. If a place had a capacity of say, 50 people, and could rejig their layout to ensure there was 2 metres between parties, they could still by law have 50 people in the place. Also, what the capacity is matters: the Common in Edmonton for example has a capacity of 150, so at 50% that’s still 75 people (plus staff) breathing the same air, yelling, and drinking.

Harpoon:

Yeah it’s hard to believe that there are people arguing long and loud for things to be locked down while at the same time questioning the idea that private gatherings are the biggest culprit in spreading this virus. When you are at the office, grocery store, mall, you are presumably wearing a mask and not talking and laughing loudly .... and in two of those three situations you are probably walking around and not staying in one closed space for a long time. When you are at Bob’s place to watch a game you are presumably not wearing a mask because you are filling your face with food, beer/weed. You are laughing and talking in a closed room with people outside your immediate family. I mean it’s a no brainer to assess which type of behaviour is more risky. Not to mention that going to the store/work is kind of necessary while celebrating Suzy’s birthday with the neighbour kids is kind of not. Nonetheless we will still have some folks saying they contact tracing doesn’t show that definitively’ or they data doesn’t support that notion’.

Again, since it needs to be repeated over and over again, no one is questioning that private indoor gatherings don’t present a high-risk environment, but the absence of data showing exactly how much means you’re relying purely on guesswork when imposing these types of restrictions and hoping they stick.

The questions I have are around the arbitrary nature of the measures being put in place without any data to support them where some activities deemed high-risk (like having a couple of people over) are being drastically curtailed while other non-essential large indoor gatherings in churches, bars, restaurants and casinos (where large numbers of people gather and eat and drink and yell and sing) are allowed.

At that point it looks less like mitigating the spread of a contagious disease more about not pissing off the ruling party’s core constituencies.

 

[Senor Catface]

Would you prefer if Kenney or Notley called you?

Give me the ancestors of Arthur Sifton or nothing!

 

[bellagiobob]

just gonna do a big dump of replies I was working on as the last thread closed:



Bellagiobob said:

I guarantee virtually no one in the industry is going to enforce that “6 people from the same household” rule in bars and restaurants and any server that tries would probably get canned for costing their boss money.

Lot better odds enforcement will happen in a restaurant/bar than at a private residence, where the chance is zero.