OT: Coronavirus XXII: Vaccines For Medical Personnel By Year's End?

[nabob]

20 minutes in. I don't know how much more of this shit I can take. Corbett seems to believe that the result of the US election has no bearing on "The Great Reset" and continues to believe that Corona was planned.

Just taking more bullets for you people.

“you people”

 

[BlueCheeseWithWings]

A little of both. Was watching the Inside the Criminal Mind episode on Koresh, Manson, and Jimmy. Found the parallels to be pretty interesting as I've read a lot about the subject.

Are you familiar with the mk-ultra program? Charles Manson may have been a subject. You might find "CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties" by Tom O'Neill of interest.

 

[Raab]

You can fly to Arizona if you want.

If I need to get out of this country, I'll be driving out with my family and my stuff. Not hopping a flight. In fact Id argue if I was going on vacation Id be more apt to fly. So if you just want to stop vacations wouldn't it make more sense to stop air travel as well?

 

[Dorian2]

Are you familiar with the mk-ultra program? Charles Manson may have been a subject. You might find "CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties" by Tom O'Neill of interest.

I'll check it out.

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

“you people”

Yes, as in, the residents of HF Oil.

 

[BlueCheeseWithWings]

I'll check it out.

He also appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast. I myself haven't watched it, so I can't claim one way or another if it's worth viewing:

 

[Drivesaitl]

A little of both. Was watching the Inside the Criminal Mind episode on Koresh, Manson, and Jimmy. Found the parallels to be pretty interesting as I've read a lot about the subject.

I've had that same fixation as well. I mean I grew up with that and each one was kind or a flashpoint of whats out there. But I knew a fair amount about that first hand. You're certainly correct that there can be a lot of commonality in the profiles. Afairc you Read Hunting Humans as well. Great book. I actually spoke with Elliot Leyton and his Teaching Assistant online way back.

Read pretty much every book on Manson family, Jonestown. I have a strange predilection to reading about psycho killers.

This was an interesting read as well.

Ted Bundy: Conversations with a Killer by Stephen G. Michaud

Ted Bundy and the authors purposely engage in a game of theoretical constructs where questions are third person. "So if you were the killer and you did this how would you do it, where the body end up, etc. Its chilling and amazing stuff. Amazing in that the cat and mouse seemingly went on for so long and all parties participating. The authors quickly knew it was the only way they were going to get a lot of information out of Bundy. He's an atypical profile though.

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

I've had that same fixation as well. I mean I grew up with that and each one was kind or a flashpoint of whats out there. But I knew a fair amount about that first hand. You're certainly correct that there can be a lot of commonality in the profiles. Afairc you Read Hunting Humans as well. Great book. I actually spoke with Elliot Leyton and his Teaching Assistant online way back.

Read pretty much every book on Manson family, Jonestown. I have a strange predilection to reading about psycho killers.

This was an interesting read as well.

Ted Bundy: Conversations with a Killer by Stephen G. Michaud

Ted Bundy and the authors purposely engage in a game of theoretical constructs where questions are third person. "So if you were the killer and you did this how would you do it, where the body end up, etc. Its chilling and amazing stuff. Amazing in that the cat and mouse seemingly went on for so long and all parties participating. The authors quickly knew it was the only way they were going to get a lot of information out of Bundy. He's an atypical profile though.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Are you familiar with the mk-ultra program? Charles Manson may have been a subject. You might find "CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties" by Tom O'Neill of interest.

You really have a bent for this kind of stuff. Theres so much on it and ranging to the whole counter culture revolution, all the songs, David Crosby, Stills, etc were plants. Oh, Jim Morrison. Looked at much of the information on how many of the artists of the 60's came from Military families. mind you there were a lot of military families at the time, and its pretty dynamic for people to rebel from the kind of upbringing it typically yields.

I remain unconvinced in entirety but some of it is interesting. The part that I agree with is the drug experiments having taken place, being encouraged, and the expected random that was going to result from all that. I mean one way or the other LSD was all around back then among many other drugs in the valleys. The drugs shaped the music, the listening, the happenings, what was going on. There seemed to be very little crackdown of any sort on the psychotropic drug use and distribution.

 

[Soundwave]

If I need to get out of this country, I'll be driving out with my family and my stuff. Not hopping a flight. In fact Id argue if I was going on vacation Id be more apt to fly. So if you just want to stop vacations wouldn't it make more sense to stop air travel as well?

I don't think the Canadian government can stop you, if you can show you're not just going for leisure purposes. The US government might, but that is their border and their rules.

But you are not "locked in" to the country. The reason air travel is allowed is because if you are coming back to Canada, you have to fly into a Canadian airport where you be told to self quarantine for 14 days so a person can't claim after the fact that they "accidentally" drove over the border or something and no one told them that was the rule.

It's clearly stated and you have to sign that you understand when land at an airport and there's also a record of when you arrived back into the country when you come into the country via commercial air travel ... whereas in a vehicle there probably are multiple ways to get into Canada and bypass a physical checkpoint and then feign ignorance or try and bend the rules on a 14-day quarantine (ie: try and say they arrived back in Canada on a different date and there's no record of it because they re-entered the country through an unmarked road or something).

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

You really have a bent for this kind of stuff. Theres so much on it and ranging to the whole counter culture revolution, all the songs, David Crosby, Stills, etc were plants. Oh, Jim Morrison. Looked at much of the information on how many of the artists of the 60's came from Military families. mind you there were a lot of military families at the time, and its pretty dynamic for people to rebel from the kind of upbringing it typically yields.

I remain unconvinced in entirety but some of it is interesting. The part that I agree with is the drug experiments having taken place, being encouraged, and the expected random that was going to result from all that. I mean one way or the other LSD was all around back then among many other drugs in the valleys. The drugs shaped the music, the listening, the happenings, what was going on.

I remember reading about crime cases from that point in time and how LSD is linked to increasing the severity of untreated mental diseases.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He also appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast. I myself haven't watched it, so I can't claim one way or another if it's worth viewing:

A lot of the information that O Neill wrote doesn't match the other sources and books written on the subject. His own accounts, and he's not first person in this in anyway, are much different than the other accounts specifically on Manson. I mean its interesting, but O Neill on an island with a lot of his claims.

 

[BlueCheeseWithWings]

You really have a bent for this kind of stuff. Theres so much on it and ranging to the whole counter culture revolution, all the songs, David Crosby, Stills, etc were plants. Oh, Jim Morrison. Looked at much of the information on how many of the artists of the 60's came from Military families. mind you there were a lot of military families at the time, and its pretty dynamic for people to rebel from the kind of upbringing it typically yields.

I remain unconvinced in entirety but some of it is interesting. The part that I agree with is the drug experiments having taken place, being encouraged, and the expected random that was going to result from all that. I mean one way or the other LSD was all around back then among many other drugs in the valleys. The drugs shaped the music, the listening, the happenings, what was going on.

I am aware of all that. Laurel Canyon was a wild place during that time. Morrison's father was more than simply a member of the military; he was involved in the "gulf of Tonkin incident." "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" is a personal favourite read of mine.

I would like to believe Manson became who he was after the Beach Boys "stole his song." Much more entertaining than simply being a mad man.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I remember reading about crime cases from that point in time and how LSD is linked to increasing the severity of untreated mental diseases.

Indeed LSD, Magic Mushrooms and some other psychotropic drugs can result in onset of Schizophrenia (not temporal but full blown condition) in those that are genetically and/or familialy susceptible. To wit if relatives are diagnosed or exibit symptoms, and people are raised in families where feedback is very mixed and inconsistent, Schizophrenia onset can be exacerbated and potentially in individuals that would otherwise lead potentially normal lives without the disease. Should mention Meth here as an especially brutal substance that can also result in insanity, full blown lasting delusional patterns. Just tragic consequences for many people, and their families that have had to go through the needless suffering.

 

[BlueCheeseWithWings]

A lot of the information that O Neill wrote doesn't match the other sources and books written on the subject. His own accounts, and he's not first person in this in anyway, are much different than the other accounts specifically on Manson. I mean its interesting, but O Neill on an island with a lot of his claims.

I believe O'Neill spent nearly 20 years researching this book. Tom does not claim LSD was used to control Manson; he provides his findings for the reader to decide. He reveals suspicious events and actors in the saga that are overlooked in the popular narrative that is Helter Skelter. He questions aspects of the trial that are handled absurdly on face value but brilliantly if seen with the lens of possible ulterior motives.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I am aware of all that. Laurel Canyon was a wild place during that time. Morrison's father was more than simply a member of the military; he was involved in the "gulf of Tonkin incident." "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" is a personal favourite read of mine.

I would like to believe Manson became who he was after the Beach Boys "stole his song." Much more entertaining than simply being a mad man.

Sorry for the readers that this is completely off topic but its friendly exchange, and just interesting. Manson was a career criminal starting with petty theft and working his way up to Grand theft auto, theft over, under, some violence. Being a smaller man Manson was the subject of a lot of in jail violence, was raped as many are, and developed a psycho posturing profile in jail as an attempt to try to get people to back off of him.

AS is the case with a lot of worse profile Narcissist Psychopaths that have potential to go on to kill Manson was exposed to prostitution on the part of his mother and she didn't have enough grace to even conduct her business behind closed doors. One of the most sure fire ways to screw up a child is to do exactly what Manson's mother did. Charlie never had a childhood, and even before the killings had spent most of his life in some form of incarceration. Manson had access to any drugs in jail and so his mind was impacted. Reports I've seen is that Charlie had subpar intelligence but with an intelligence profile such that he was capable of appearing higher functioning that he was in certain areas. Being that he picked a lot of runaways and typically kids from normative families, he came across as somebody that just had a whole different set of experience and information than his followers. Which certainly was the case. When Charlie did run across other career criminals he didn't have the spell over those people. He claimed innocents as his followers, that was the profile he was going for. "those that had been cast out from their families" but more typically were just adventurers and runaways.

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

Indeed LSD, Magic Mushrooms and some other psychotropic drugs can result in onset of Schizophrenia (not temporal but full blown condition) in those that are genetically and/or familialy susceptible. To wit if relatives are diagnosed or exibit symptoms, and people are raised in families where feedback is very mixed and inconsistent, Schizophrenia onset can be exacerbated and potentially in individuals that would otherwise lead potentially normal lives without the disease. Should mention Meth here as an especially brutal substance that can also result in insanity, full blown lasting delusional patterns. Just tragic consequences for many people, and their families that have had to go through the needless suffering.

John Linley Frazier/Richard Trenton Chase/ Herbert Mullin

All in California during the Hippie decade.

All committed heinous crimes and have a connection to the usage of LSD before the evil acts took place.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I believe O'Neill spent nearly 20 years researching this book. Tom does not claim LSD was used to control Manson; he provides his findings for the reader to decide. He reveals suspicious events and actors in the saga that are overlooked in the popular narrative that is Helter Skelter. He questions aspects of the trial that are handled absurdly on face value but brilliantly if seen with the lens of possible ulterior motives.

Specific contention I have with his findings is that Bugliosi ought to have been jailed for perjury and that the system was specifically playing catch and release with Charlie. This case was very unique and in order to pin Charlie to the crimes the prosecuting team had to examine and display ways in which Charlie influenced, aided, and contrived the killings. I mean they needed to get Charlie convicted, and yes a lot of approaches that would be contested today were allowed to proceed through two judges and one that was under extreme duress. One has to also realize that the Judge and prosecuting team all had their lives threatened through this and as we know Charlie had arms that were still very much at large out at the ranch. I think licence was given all, to some degree, due to the harrowing nature of what all were experiencing in the courtroom. Including the jury. Theres been few if any cases like this.

Certainly countless suspicious events, associations, close calls, public figures etc were very much involved real close to Charlie and one of the spell binding things about the whole saga. Was also a very sobering saga for all of Hollywood and the music industry at the time being how so many had close shaves that they realized in retrospect.

So many knew and availed themselves of Charlie and his girls. him basically pimping his way to higher contacts and parties through Topanga and Laurel. I mean I don't know how people like Neil Young slept so well at night knowing they had Charlie Manson over on occasion. It was cold sweat time for a lot of people when the shit hit the fan. NY at the time got out and bought his back pasture somewhere in the state. Got out of LA. A lot of others did. The peace of the Canyons had clearly burst.

 

[Drivesaitl]

John Linley Frazier/Richard Trenton Chase/ Herbert Mullin

All in California during the Hippie decade.

All committed heinous crimes and have a connection to the usage of LSD before the evil acts took place.

Not familiar with all those names specifically but LA area at the time, and San Fran had gone from being Summer of love to pretty dark places by 69. meth particularly being a mean and scary drug and years of LSD use and other psychotropics had hit for people. So many irreperably drug damaged minds were walking the Streets of those cities, and scary places to be in 69. That summer all around some innocence was disappearing. SF particularly there was a lot of violence around 69. Then Altamont which hit a similar dark note.

really half the people that were crazy or really into psychotripics were gravitating to California. Every precinct hoped they would stop piling in. These cities became the pitstop of every rebellious lost child across the nation in search of something.

I just mention those things because the entire backdrop at the time was crazy for a lot of people then. I mean you kind all kinds of odd ties and such. This was where everything in the psychotropic drug culture was converging.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Okay, but like... Come on.

The moon landing was a hoax? (It wasn't.)
Vaccines don't work? (Ever wonder why the black plague isn't around anymore?)
5G sends toxic EMF? (I don't even know how to approach this nonsense.)
Bill Gates is a Nazi eugenicist (See above)
America is a socialist country (It is absolutely not.)

This. Guy. Is. An. Idiot.

10 minutes in now and still nothing of substance.

EDIT: Ah yes there's a mention of the "Plandemic" which further docks points from his credibility and my sanity simultaneously.

It seems it is simply impossible for you to separate information from conclusions. Different people draw completely different conclusions based identical information in any field of study you can imagine. Is one of these people by definition an idiot in every single instance? Do the conclusions they draw from the information somehow validate or invalidate said information post facto?

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

Not familiar with those names specifically but LA area at the time, and San Fran had gone from being Summer of love to pretty dark places by 69. meth particularly being a mean and scary drug and years of LSD use and other psychotropics had hit for people. So many irreperably drug damaged minds were walking the Streets of those cities, and scary places to be in 69. That summer all around some innocence was disappearing. SF particularly there was a lot of violence around 69. Then Altamont which hit a similar dark note.

really half the people that were crazy or really into psychotripics were gravitating to California. Every precinct hoped they would stop piling in. These cities became the pitstop of every rebellious lost child across the nation in search of something.

I just mention those things because the entire backdrop at the time was crazy for a lot of people then. I mean you kind all kinds of odd ties and such. This was where everything in the psychotropic drug culture was converging.

John Linley Frazier:
After the killings, Frazier typed a note on a typewriter owned by Ohta, which he left on the window of Ohta's Rolls Royce. The note read:

Halloween, 1970. Today World War III will begin, as bought to you by the People of the Free Universe. From this day forward, anyone and/or everyone or company of persons who misuses the natural environment or destroys same will suffer the penalty of death by the People of the Free Universe. I and my comrades from this day forth will fight until death or freedom against anyone who does not support natural life on this planet. Materialism must die, or Mankind will stop.
KNIGHT OF WANDS
KNIGHT OF CUPS
KNIGHT OF PENTACLES
KNIGHT OF SWORDS


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[harpoon]

If you're not interested in hearing what somebody has to say you can ignore them. Why is it necessary to take the extra step of disparaging them, their content (which you admittedly did not familiarize yourself with), and anyone else who has a more positive opinion on said content?

It’s an excellent question. When I see people going extra super hard against non-msm content, while ridiculing anyone who is interested enough to give it a look, I just feel very sad for that person’s limited view on life.

 

[Drivesaitl]

John Linley Frazier:
After the killings, Frazier typed a note on a typewriter owned by Ohta, which he left on the window of Ohta's Rolls Royce. The note read:

Halloween, 1970. Today World War III will begin, as bought to you by the People of the Free Universe. From this day forward, anyone and/or everyone or company of persons who misuses the natural environment or destroys same will suffer the penalty of death by the People of the Free Universe. I and my comrades from this day forth will fight until death or freedom against anyone who does not support natural life on this planet. Materialism must die, or Mankind will stop.
KNIGHT OF WANDS
KNIGHT OF CUPS
KNIGHT OF PENTACLES
KNIGHT OF SWORDS


​

Thanks. interesting. A bit of copycat missive there and as such things can spawn other events like Columbine resulted in so many school tragedies. This one sure didn't attain the profile that Manson obtained. Its weird how some cases just get so much coverage, so much more notoriety. I wasnt even familiar with this killer.

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

Top video is about John Linley Frazier.

Creepy Story.