Coronavirus discussion thread (no political debates) VII

[Wafflewhipper]

Right. If he can't have customers inside and can only do curbside/delivery then the rules should also apply to box chains. Spending 30 minutes in a grocery store is probably even worse than spending 30 minutes in a restaurant.

F***ing right. The big box are flaunting the social distancing. Did they take their building and change their locks. Nooo I don’t buy it and I’m boycotting big box ha

I don’t like commies. Pretty straight up of me but I don’t like people being pushed by power mongers. I think they all should be fired and the big boxes video taped every minute of every day and reported for their flagrantly not following a public health order.

 

[Nineteen67]

The protocols in BC is confusing at best. Not trying to be a conspiracy spreader, but the fact that you can only get tested if you show symptoms even if you are exposed to someone tested positive really means the govt is trying their best to lower the numbers by not testing potential COVID patients. The other thing, if someone close to you or live in your household tested positive, as long as you are not showing symptoms, you can go out, go to work or school, just recommend to monitor the situation closely.
It is like they(govt) don’t even want to contain COVID.

If a family member has tested positive the kids don’t have to stay home from school for at least 5-7 days after the last contact?

 

[Mickey Marner]

100%, I'm shocked there aren't more prominent futurist departments in governments outside of Finland and some other Asian/Baltic countries. AI is already influencing politics and economics at levels that people shouldn't be ok with being unregulated. We shouldn't wait for it to cross over to physical every day utilities before recognizing it as a problem.

Exactly, these agencies are usually only created after something goes wrong, they're rarely proactive. Even Musk is lobbying for one and he would arguably have the most to lose from A.I. government bureaucracy.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

If a family member has tested positive the kids don’t have stay home from school for at least 5-7 days after the last contact?

Both my kids had the sniffles. Took our oldest for a test since she spiked a low grade fever. School said as soon as the younger one felt fine with no symptoms, he could be sent back at school. We didn’t have to wait for our oldest’s test result. So she could have tested positive, and our son would have been at school.

How the heck does that make any sense?!

 

[Jojalu]

Right. If he can't have customers inside and can only do curbside/delivery then the rules should also apply to box chains. Spending 30 minutes in a grocery store is probably even worse than spending 30 minutes in a restaurant.

This I believe is the most frustrating part.

It seems easy enough to contact trace, if that is the endgoal by having people give their names to eat in a restaurant, while it becomes impossible if people just gather at an undislosed residential home.

It also is crazy that sending five people into a small business is somehow less safe than sending 100 into a big box store.

I understand the government feels like they need to show they are doing something to mitigate, but it all seems ass backwards.

The number one priority should have been protecting LTC'S from the second wave and we seemingly blew that worldwide.

 

[Nineteen67]

Both my kids had the sniffles. Took our oldest for a test since she spiked a low grade fever. School said as soon as the younger one felt fine with no symptoms, he could be sent back at school. We didn’t have to wait for our oldest’s test result. So she could have tested positive, and our son would have been at school.

How the heck does that make any sense?!

And yet they go crazy if someone doesn’t wear a mask.

In my area we narrowed it to a 5 day quarantine after your last contact of over 15 mins. Or you can get tested. I think that’s still the policy.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm not sure of how it works in B.C, but at least as far as children are concerned, the system should be setup so that you can be mailed two weeks of course work and/or can slide your child into online classes seamlessly, in the event they must quarantine for two weeks.

Obviously inconsistent counting and protocols just contribute towards confusion and mayhem, in addition to spreading.

I wish that’s the case but as far as I know, it is far from it. In a way, I(along with other parents) think the schools are just preying it won’t happen at their school as they have no idea how to deal with it, partly bc the govt and the school board are forcing them to not go the online learning route as they want students in school instead of at home.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This I believe is the most frustrating part.

It seems easy enough to contact trace, if that is the endgoal by having people give their names to eat in a restaurant, while it becomes impossible if people just gather at an undislosed residential home.

It also is crazy that sending five people into a small business is somehow less safe than sending 100 into a big box store.

I understand the government feels like they need to show they are doing something to mitigate, but it all seems ass backwards.

The number one priority should have been protecting LTC'S from the second wave and we seemingly blew that worldwide.

Fords contract tracing doesn’t barely exist and he’s thrown his hands in the air and said it beat him didn’t he. What a quitter eh, loser

 

[Gabriel426]

If a family member has tested positive the kids don’t have to stay home from school for at least 5-7 days after the last contact?

Not just kids, all members of the same household don’t need to quarantine as long as they don’t show symptoms. It is recommend to monitor each other closely.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I think it is not so much of international flights but testing and tracking-14 days.
My cousin went to HK two months ago due to business and she along with everyone on her flight waited 19 hours at the HK airport in order to wait for their test results, then not only did they need to download a tracing app, they were also handed out a bracelet(like the ones in Hospital), and its showed as a sign these people should be isolated for 14 days. The Govt even provided hotel rooms for them to stay. If the medical worker see the bracelet is cutoff when they come to collect it in 14 days, you will be in jail-no questions ask.
Then when she comes back to Vancouver, there is test at arrival and then never heard a word from CDC or the govt or tracers.
Not sure about you, but one City is certainly doing a whole lot more to prevent it from spreading while the other is going with the homie system.
Then you have Australia, this might sound make up but that’s what happened to my friend, she was travelling in the pacific islands during March when every countries started to lockdown. She was stranded on an island outside Fiji or Somoa, so finally when the borders started to reopen, she managed to get into Aus. and awaiting to transfer out to HK, but the moment the govt knew her transfer flight is in 2 days, she was picked up by the police and CDC and sent to one of the govt designated hotel. FYI, the police and CDC were very polite and nice. She even made jokes about having police escort in a good way. I don’t see Canada and the US ever doing that.

So in essence we are doing SOME of the things that the Aussies are doing and then wondering why we're not getting the same results as them....it's typical of our system. My whole point is we can't do this mish-mash of styles by taking a bit of what one country does and a bit of another....you can look to sweden if you like or look to australia...I don't care...but stop with the bits and pieces because it's obviously not working.

They didn't even bother to follow up with me after my positive covid test besides telling me I was free to go out 10days after the first symptoms started if I don't have a fever. So am I under the resolved cases category? how do they even know if I still have symptoms? this is so badly run both from the Feds and Ford....

 

[Gabriel426]

So in essence we are doing SOME of the things that the Aussies are doing and then wondering why we're not getting the same results as them....it's typical of our system. My whole point is we can't do this mish-mash of styles by taking a bit of what one country does and a bit of another....you can look to sweden if you like or look to australia...I don't care...but stop with the bits and pieces because it's obviously not working.

They didn't even bother to follow up with me after my positive covid test besides telling me I was free to go out 10days after the first symptoms started if I don't have a fever. So am I under the resolved cases category? how do they even know if I still have symptoms? this is so badly run both from the Feds and Ford....

I agree with you 100%. It is like setting a speed limit but if you don’t enforce it, what’s the point of having it.
I still can’t believe some of the stories being shared on this board. It seems like the govt will test you and regardless of results, as long as you don’t die or admit to hospital, they could careless.

 

[Confucius]

This I believe is the most frustrating part.

It seems easy enough to contact trace, if that is the endgoal by having people give their names to eat in a restaurant, while it becomes impossible if people just gather at an undislosed residential home.

It also is crazy that sending five people into a small business is somehow less safe than sending 100 into a big box store.

I understand the government feels like they need to show they are doing something to mitigate, but it all seems ass backwards.

The number one priority should have been protecting LTC'S from the second wave and we seemingly blew that worldwide.

The LTC homes are a great example, I can just imagine all the precautions being taken. I hear the staff are in hazmat suits, wear the legit masks 95 type and change gloves after coming in contact with a resident. Yet the staff get it just as much as the residents. We only hear about the residents because of the deaths.

Anyway if they get it there, how much are the cloth masks and social distancing really helping? I'm all for wearing the masks and social distancing but closing places down is not worth the consequences.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Exactly. Although it is good to have UBI as a fallback(if you can’t find a job) and let’s say that’s the same amount at CERB-900/2 weeks. Is that enough to support yourself and have a life?

My Fat lazy brother in law is in heaven. He works 3/10yrs....always has an excuse as to why he can't find a job, even though he is only qualified for min wage jobs...he hit the jackpot with CERB because his UI was running out. There are a lot of useless people out there...don't under estimate how many.

 

[Gabriel426]

The LTC homes are a great example, I can just imagine all the precautions being taken. I hear the staff are in hazmat suits, wear the legit masks 95 type and change gloves after coming in contact with a resident. Yet the staff get it just as much as the residents. We only hear about the residents because of the deaths.

Anyway if they get it there, how much are the cloth masks and social distancing really helping? I'm all for wearing the masks and social distancing but closing places down is not worth the consequences.

The staff might have gotten it from buying groceries or taking public transits or from someone at home.

 

[Confucius]

The staff might have gotten it from buying groceries or taking public transits or from someone at home.

Ahhh yeah ofcourse that must be it. Silly me.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Well said. I mean, the evidence is piling up, but people don't want to hear that...and I understand that. But as you so eloquently put it, the wheels are already in motion and have been for quite awhile. It's not borne out of the "Covid crisis", but this pandemic was a required element to fear monger the population into unquestioned obedience along with social conditioning.

It's sad really. Possibly millions of people could have suffered far less were HCQ not subject to the fear mongering and outright lies from the medical academia.

How can anyone trust the science? Because as of today, the science is whatever someone wants it to be. The scientific method has been replaced by agenda specific messaging.

And none of us know exactly what is real and what is not anymore. Censorship is heavy handed and being applied selectively.

There was a professor who said that 60% of all academic papers were fraudulent...60%...and you know what...I believe it. He said that 60% of the papers that made claims were not reproducible by other researchers. Academia has been ruined by money. They make false claims so they can get funding...its always about the money. We stopped being productive as a society and just want to make money the easy way...lie..graft..doesn't matter...just pay me!!

 

[Martin Skoula]

My Fat lazy brother in law is in heaven. He works 3/10yrs....always has an excuse as to why he can't find a job, even though he is only qualified for min wage jobs...he hit the jackpot with CERB because his UI was running out. There are a lot of useless people out there...don't under estimate how many.

Your taxes are still going to be paying for them if they become homeless or otherwise needs government assistance instead of working. I don't really care if he spends that time flipping burgers or sitting on his couch, the cost to me is going to be roughly the same. I'd rather some teenager get the opportunity than a 40 year old.

Frankly if something like CERB can replace other benefit programs and reduce the overhead of administrating a thousand different programs, it's worth the cost of lazy people abusing it.

That and even when I was working those jobs as a kid, I'd rather do more work myself than have to put up with an unmotivated lazy person doing the bare minimum to not get fired. If he can be replaced by a kiosk, even better, as long as McDonalds gets taxed on the value that kiosk provided and that money goes to keeping lazy people at home away from the rest of us.

 

[Gabriel426]

Ahhh yeah ofcourse that must be it. Silly me.

It is a possibility.

 

[Confucius]

It is a possibility.

the rates of infection are very high I cant remember where I saw it but its like 1 for 1 if 10 residents in a home get Covid its almost an equal number of staff. Thats an extremely high rate of infection.

But I guess it may be possible the staff is bringing in Covid and spreading it to the residents...

Below is a link about a LTC home In Scarborough Last week 136 residents had it and 60 staff have contracted it.

7 residents of long-term care home die after contracting COVID-19

 

[Jojalu]

There was a professor who said that 60% of all academic papers were fraudulent...60%...and you know what...I believe it. He said that 60% of the papers that made claims were not reproducible by other researchers. Academia has been ruined by money. They make false claims so they can get funding...its always about the money. We stopped being productive as a society and just want to make money the easy way...lie..graft..doesn't matter...just pay me!!

Purdue Pharma was caught falsifying reports that they had eliminated the addictive part of opiates and hence the Opiate Crisis was born.

Now they owe billions and have folded.

Sadly, they claimed bankruptcy and will never pay, plus the profits are hidden around the world and no one will do real time for killing millions

 

[kb]

Opinion: The ‘Great Reset’ conspiracy theory is a great embarrassment for all involved – including Ottawa

That puts a big hole in your theory

Oh, so you believe this "opinion piece" (LMAO) over what the group themselves actually said? Aweseome.

Until you have something real, just stop replying.

 

[kb]

Are you asking if an electric car can drive 2500km or that in the scenario of fleet cars you wouldn’t be allowed to go that far?

good electric cars now go as far as regular fuel cars, I guess developing quick charge technology to the point where it’s just as quick as a refuel like now is what would be stopping 2000km + journeys as of right now.

I can’t see a future where you aren’t allowed to travel Canada, even in your conspiracy world if the whole world is in on this conspiracy of yours they would monitor you world over why confine you to on province what do they get out that?

My conspiracy world???

Oh, so prove anything I said to be wrong - just one thing. Because all the current evidence that says I am right.

I get it is scary. I don't want it either. But stop listening to CNN as your only source, please?

 

[hfman]

Both my kids had the sniffles. Took our oldest for a test since she spiked a low grade fever. School said as soon as the younger one felt fine with no symptoms, he could be sent back at school. We didn’t have to wait for our oldest’s test result. So she could have tested positive, and our son would have been at school.

How the heck does that make any sense?!

gong show.

the whole thing

people need to stop watching the news because they are painting an unrealistic picture of what the situation really is out here

 

[kb]

There was a professor who said that 60% of all academic papers were fraudulent...60%...and you know what...I believe it. He said that 60% of the papers that made claims were not reproducible by other researchers. Academia has been ruined by money. They make false claims so they can get funding...its always about the money. We stopped being productive as a society and just want to make money the easy way...lie..graft..doesn't matter...just pay me!!

You hit the nail on the head there. In 2015 studies showed that cloth masks allowed 97% of all non-chicken wing size particles through, and medical masks allowed 44% through.

Today (apparently) medical masks are 99.9% impenetrable. This is so asinine.....nothing is that safe.

 

[hfman]

just reading through the last few pages in this topic tells me that even the most obedient people are becoming impatient and now starting to ask questions. That's a really good sign.