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Golden_Jet

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If I am not mistaken; during the time of spanish flu; 2nd wave was more deadly than the 1st wave

what are the expectations moving forward regarding covid? are the expectations from experts that 2nd wave is going to be more more severe, about the same or less severe?
I feel worse as 20-35 year old groups seem to going back to normal.
 
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I’m glad this is starting to get talked about.

Covid-19 vaccine might not get us the herd immunity if too many people refuse to get it, Fauci says - CNN

We are all going to have to face this decision to take the vaccine when it comes.

There is risk with any choice. However, without significant numbers... COVID won’t go away.

I have been following US stuff more closely over the past month. One thing I noticed,it is the fact that there are still a huge section of the population that believes COVID is another type of flu and it is not as lethal as the experts and medias making this out to be.
While there is another huge section that is doing everything possible to avoid COVID.
I really don’t see any middle grounds.
 

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I have been following US stuff more closely over the past month. One thing I noticed,it is the fact that there are still a huge section of the population that believes COVID is another type of flu and it is not as lethal as the experts and medias making this out to be.
While there is another huge section that is doing everything possible to avoid COVID.
I really don’t see any middle grounds.

True.

Sad thing is... the source of news influences their view. MSNBC or CNN viewers are more likely to take it serious. FOX viewers not so much.

What you reference is indeed happening.

To add to your point...

MSNBC or CNN coverage pretty much mirrors coverage on Canada’s networks.

Consistent messages around hand washing, distancing, quarantine, masks, etc.

In Canada, while media outlets lean in various political directions when it comes to their analysts... they generally accept facts as facts. And that’s what we get.

In the US, at least with FOX, facts either don’t get reported or they present misinformation.

I’m not offering opinion here. This has been studied and it totally supports your position.

This is a peer reviewed study that was referenced in the Washington Post:

In April, Kathleen Hall Jamieson of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and Dolores Albarracin of the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign published a peer-reviewed study examining how Americans’ media diets affected their beliefs about the coronavirus.

Administering a nationally representative phone survey with 1,008 respondents, they found that people who got most of their information from mainstream print and broadcast outlets tended to have an accurate assessment of the severity of the pandemic and their risks of infection.

But those who relied on conservative sources, such as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, were more likely to believe in conspiracy theories or unfounded rumors, such as the belief that taking vitamin C could prevent infection, that the Chinese government had created the virus, and that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exaggerated the pandemic’s threat “to damage the Trump presidency“
 
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True.

Sad thing is... the source of news influences their view. MSNBC or CNN viewers are more likely to take it serious. FOX viewers not so much.

What you reference is indeed happening.

To add to your point...

MSNBC or CNN coverage pretty much mirrors coverage on Canada’s networks.

Consistent messages around hand washing, distancing, quarantine, masks, etc.

In Canada, while media outlets lean in various political directions when it comes to their analysts... they generally accept facts as facts. And that’s what we get.

In the US, at least with FOX, facts either don’t get reported or they present misinformation.

I’m not offering opinion here. This has been studied and it totally supports your position.

This is a peer reviewed study that was referenced in the Washington Post:

In April, Kathleen Hall Jamieson of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and Dolores Albarracin of the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign published a peer-reviewed study examining how Americans’ media diets affected their beliefs about the coronavirus.

Administering a nationally representative phone survey with 1,008 respondents, they found that people who got most of their information from mainstream print and broadcast outlets tended to have an accurate assessment of the severity of the pandemic and their risks of infection.

But those who relied on conservative sources, such as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, were more likely to believe in conspiracy theories or unfounded rumors, such as the belief that taking vitamin C could prevent infection, that the Chinese government had created the virus, and that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exaggerated the pandemic’s threat “to damage the Trump presidency“

Cannot agree more. I think the word Fake News, Fact checked... are being thrown out there whenever a news outlet is reporting news that doesn’t align with their own ideas.

It works the other way too.

When the #BLM Protests started, to me CNN did a great job. Now CNN is not perfect but they did a good jobZ Bc they reported on everything, protest, looting, riots, Police standing with protesters, police brutality... at least to me, they were really telling the audience, there are a lot of groups at these protests, some want to loot, some want to riot, some want to protest.... To me that’s what a news network should be doing.

You are absolutely correct that CBC and others in Canada are really reporting facts. They might show favor to certain political parties but when there are hard facts, they report them.
 

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Cannot agree more. I think the word Fake News, Fact checked... are being thrown out there whenever a news outlet is reporting news that doesn’t align with their own ideas.

It works the other way too.

When the #BLM Protests started, to me CNN did a great job. Now CNN is not perfect but they did a good jobZ Bc they reported on everything, protest, looting, riots, Police standing with protesters, police brutality... at least to me, they were really telling the audience, there are a lot of groups at these protests, some want to loot, some want to riot, some want to protest.... To me that’s what a news network should be doing.

You are absolutely correct that CBC and others in Canada are really reporting facts. They might show favor to certain political parties but when there are hard facts, they report them.

Agreed.

Speaking of facts... we have our own misinformation campaign to address:

Potential COVID-19 vaccine has re-energized anti-vaccination groups, health experts warn


Misinformation out in full force, and health officials must catch up, scientists say


https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/covid-19-vaccine-public-health-1.5627376
 

JT AM da real deal

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The second wave is up to us.

If we continue to wear masks.... and ideally mandate them... continue to distance. Continue to wash hands. Continue to work from home when we can. Continue to keep our borders closed to the USA as much as we can. If folks consent to using that app that is coming.

If we do things like that, we can stay on top of it and contract trace.

There is no reason we cannot have an open economy, some semblance of in person schools AND keep people safe.

If folks relax on any of the aboveboard though... there will absolutely be a second wave.
True true ... all we can do is hope everyone does their share ... but quite frankly it looks to me that things are returning closer to old normal when getting basics like a haircut done this past weekend ... we are getting pulled back into a false sense of security like US did when weather got nice ... hope I m wrong but that's what I saw
 

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Larry Tanenbaum and his wife donate 1 million dollars to Covid 19 research for a vaccine and new test methods,
money goes to Toronto’s Sinai health,
Good on them.
Great gesture no doubt but honestly could he have given more of his $25M MLSE dividend ... to me $20M would have been a stronger show
 

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Cannot agree more. I think the word Fake News, Fact checked... are being thrown out there whenever a news outlet is reporting news that doesn’t align with their own ideas.

It works the other way too.

When the #BLM Protests started, to me CNN did a great job. Now CNN is not perfect but they did a good jobZ Bc they reported on everything, protest, looting, riots, Police standing with protesters, police brutality... at least to me, they were really telling the audience, there are a lot of groups at these protests, some want to loot, some want to riot, some want to protest.... To me that’s what a news network should be doing.

You are absolutely correct that CBC and others in Canada are really reporting facts. They might show favor to certain political parties but when there are hard facts, they report them.
FOX and CNN take very political TV sides as they report ... CBC is clearly a fact based media which presents a more liberal side on most shows but not every single one
 

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As of this morning, only 2 US states are seeing a decline in cases.

And the notion of granting quarantine exemptions to allow Baseball players who have traveled from the USA has never looked more ridiculous.
What a stupid decision to allow these baseball players back here to Rogers dome ... that means all teams will be coming in here by flight for games mid July ... we made a lot of good calls and now we are starting to screw up here again ... this all happened because of stupid hockey decision by players on HUB ... I wish Ford had let Edmonton get da HUB and taken decision away from players ... now baseball too ... this after soccer and basketball had done it all right ... wow
 
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What a stupid decision to allow these baseball players back here to Rogers dome ... that means all teams will be coming in here by flight for games mid July ... we made a lot of good calls and now we are starting to screw up here again ... this all happened because of stupid hockey decision by players on HUB ... I wish Ford had let Edmonton get da HUB and taken decision away from players ... now baseball too ... this after soccer and basketball had done it all right ... wow

You just kind of knew the governments would buckle to the pro sports teams. Be diligent and stringent for the common folk; bend the rules for athletes. The last thing the government should want is players of the teams, especially those from the U.S. who make up the majority of the teams, flying in to the country. Poor decision all around. :thumbd:
 
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You just kind of knew the governments would buckle to the pro sports teams. Be diligent and stringent for the common folk; bend the rules for athletes. The last thing the government should want is players of the teams, especially those from the U.S. who make up the majority of the teams, flying in to the country. Poor decision all around. :thumbd:
I am done with baseball ... I am mad at hockey too but I can't stop watching my Leafs
 

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Speaking of idiots, this guy is wanted for stealing an auger from the local Home Depot.

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Source: Suspect sought in theft of electric drain auger - BarrieToday.com

It happened a few days ago on June 18.

During a pandemic. When wearing a mask is ok.

This genius figures he’s going in to steal something.

In a store with video cameras.

He can wear a mask. Society is completely fine with mask wearing.

And he chooses not to. Again, going in with the intent to steal something. He chooses not to wear a mask.

But in an effort to protect himself from COVID (or leaving fingerprints on the cart that will be wiped down)... he wears GLOVES.

I guess he’s not one of those socialist criminals.

Pardon the pun... but what a tool.
There’s probably a way he’ll “worm” his way out of this ;)
 

Gabriel426

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FOX and CNN take very political TV sides as they report ... CBC is clearly a fact based media which presents a more liberal side on most shows but not every single one
I think there is literally impossible to have a news outlet that people will feel absolutely neutral as people in general tend to just disagree whenever there is info that doesn’t align with their own interests or opinions.
Instead of reading more info to have a better understanding of the issues, people nowadays tend to focus on info/news that only agree on their views and opinions despite ever questioning the legitimacy of such infos-most of the time it is from a source off the internet, and just disregard anything else.
I really don’t know when and how this trend started but it seems like people just don’t want to face the reality that their perceptions might be wrong and anything that doesn’t support their opinions are false news.
We live in strange times.
 

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wasn’t faucci the guy who openly admits to lying about mask use?

Yep in order to preserve masks, he lied on purpose, even though it wasn't necessary. It's okay to listen to authorities but trusting them blindly is ridiculous. Fauci WHO and CDC have been wrong many times on Covid.
 

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I think there is literally impossible to have a news outlet that people will feel absolutely neutral as people in general tend to just disagree whenever there is info that doesn’t align with their own interests or opinions.
Instead of reading more info to have a better understanding of the issues, people nowadays tend to focus on info/news that only agree on their views and opinions despite ever questioning the legitimacy of such infos-most of the time it is from a source off the internet, and just disregard anything else.
I really don’t know when and how this trend started but it seems like people just don’t want to face the reality that their perceptions might be wrong and anything that doesn’t support their opinions are false news.
We live in strange times.

Yeah we do. It's really hard because there is so much information and it's hard to figure out who is manipulating it and who is telling you the truth. They all lie for their own political interests and money - even doctors, scientists, teachers, engineers, etc. It makes the world a complicated place.
 

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Yeah we do. It's really hard because there is so much information and it's hard to figure out who is manipulating it and who is telling you the truth. They all lie for their own political interests and money - even doctors, scientists, teachers, engineers, etc. It makes the world a complicated place.
Definitely. A lot of people blame social media but I think it is a lot more complicated than that.
You are absolutely correct that we don’t know what’s true or not.
 

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Yep in order to preserve masks, he lied on purpose, even though it wasn't necessary. It's okay to listen to authorities but trusting them blindly is ridiculous. Fauci WHO and CDC have been wrong many times on Covid.

Just to offer $0.02 here.

Medical science isn't exact.

So missing the call on some aspects of an emerging virus isn't really a reason to mistrust. He's coming at this from a health preservation stand point so while he may not always be right... he's erring on the side of public health.

It's crazy how much of a resource this guy is. I remember reading somewhere that of the millions of authors on infectious disease, his research has been citied an insane number of times. Something like cited in the top 10 or 20 of the millions of researchers that have been published.

It would be incredibly foolish to equate Fauci with someone like Trump or Pence.
 

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Definitely. A lot of people blame social media but I think it is a lot more complicated than that.
You are absolutely correct that we don’t know what’s true or not.
I think there are two views on that I have read.

First is the cynical view, which we happen to see a lot, even on this forum.

1. People are stupid. 2. People are corrupt.

Therefore, expect the worst. Seeing what has happened, hard to argue against that.

Second is a Chinese Communist Party view, which they take from Abraham Lincoln.

Forget where I read it, but you know the saying attributed to Honest Abe.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

What the CCP does is take it one step further. The third part of Lincoln phrase, "cannot fool all the people all of the time," that does not apply anymore.

No government in the world today has to worry about fooling all of the people all of the time.

The way the system is, in the entire world, that is not relevant anymore.

Hard to say how this developed, and no one really understands it.

But, obviously, there is some serious talent here at work.

They have convinced people to risk their lives, and stringently willing to do stuff that could be very harmful to their health.

Indoctrination is good as far as I can tell.

:laugh:
 
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Definitely. A lot of people blame social media but I think it is a lot more complicated than that.
You are absolutely correct that we don’t know what’s true or not.

If people don't believe the news feeds listen to nurses and doctors taking care of these patients .

All I know is that I would rather wear a mask then having a ventilator .
From reading and watching what they have to do to people that get this virus is not the way I wish to live or die.

To the nurses and doctors, you are special people.
I hope they all survive this mentally.
 

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Crazy they are just doing this now. If they started this a month or six weeks ago, imagine where we could be today.
Well i believe everyone has done a great job under the circumstances. We can walk with our head up on this thing because of how everyone bought in to doing their share. We need to continue doing that. The understanding of the virus today was not the same 6 weeks ago. This thing is deadly and we will do ok
 
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