Coronavirus and the Washington Capitals

Status
Not open for further replies.

ALLCAPSALLTHETIME

Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
Oct 10, 2009
9,234
4,898
British Columbia, Canada
In regards to the danger it presents yes. I’m not saying there isn’t a new flu strand, I’m saying it’s not any different than any new strand that has happened over the last couple decades. The difference with this and the bird flu is we now have social media and socially wait around to butcher people anytime we disagree with them. We are currently wrecking economies over a flu strand that isn’t killing anyone that wouldn’t be dying from any other flu.

Spot on.
 

Corby78

65 - 10 - 20
Jan 14, 2014
11,705
7,874
Ramstein Germany
I noticed similar behavior about the weather, they always predict the end of the world, but we get a little rain afternoon.

Exactly; every hurricane now is the worst storm we have ever seen and we need to throw up graphics on how it will wipe away the state of Florida. It has to be sensationalized or people won’t tune in. Sports do it too, why else is Steven A getting paid millions.
 

Calicaps

NFA
Aug 3, 2006
21,816
14,097
Almost Canada
I mean it's never practicable until a vaccine or medical treatment is out. Is hockey down until 2021?
That's not how pandemics work. There is an epidemiological curve. When it is on the downslope it will become increasingly safe.

The idea that this is just media hype is absurd. The media definitely love to catastrophize, but in this instance, the world's major public health organizations--World Health Organization, CDC, etc--are the ones putting out the information. These people are the world experts on this stuff. They know how contagions work and which behaviors aid them and which impede them. Go to the WHO site. Read their statements; they recognize the need to balance impacts.

There also are doctors in the areas of highest outbreak reporting out about the situation on the ground. The point is, the more people we keep healthy, the more able the health system will be to serve those who need it, whether they are infected with coronavirus or need other care. If we're all cavalier assholes about it, that's when the system becomes overwhelmed and you create a needless crisis.

Lastly, this virus appears to be deadlier and more contagious than the flu. The analogy to the flu is misinformed based on the fact that the basic symptoms can be similar. But Italy's case fatality rate (fatality among confirmed infections) right now is roughly 5%. The global case fatality rate so far looks to be about 3.4% This year's flu has a case fatality rate below 1%. These data are out there. They are easy to find.

Nobody is advocating panic. But the message is don't be a selfish prick.
 

ALLCAPSALLTHETIME

Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
Oct 10, 2009
9,234
4,898
British Columbia, Canada
That's not how pandemics work. There is an epidemiological curve. When it is on the downslope it will become increasingly safe.

The idea that this is just media hype is absurd. The media definitely love to catastrophize, but in this instance, the world's major public health organizations--World Health Organization, CDC, etc--are the ones putting out the information. These people are the world experts on this stuff. They know how contagions work and which behaviors aid them and which impede them. Go to the WHO site. Read their statements; they recognize the need to balance impacts.

There also are doctors in the areas of highest outbreak reporting out about the situation on the ground. The point is, the more people we keep healthy, the more able the health system will be to serve those who need it, whether they are infected with coronavirus or need other care. If we're all cavalier assholes about it, that's when the system becomes overwhelmed and you create a needless crisis.

Lastly, this virus appears to be deadlier and more contagious than the flu. The analogy to the flu is misinformed based on the fact that the basic symptoms can be similar. But Italy's case fatality rate (fatality among confirmed infections) right now is roughly 5%. The global case fatality rate so far looks to be about 3.4% This year's flu has a case fatality rate below 1%. These data are out there. They are easy to find.

Nobody is advocating panic. But the message is don't be a selfish prick.


Wait and see. BTW, I don't see myself as being a selfish prick for not swallowing the narrative hook, line and sinker, thanks.

I will take normal precautions, as I always do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Corby78

NobodyBeatsTheWiz

Happy now?
Jun 26, 2004
23,413
1,964
The Burbs
I see the post-truth era is alive and well on HFBoards. For shame.

You are not likely to die from COVID-19 if you are young with no pre-existing conditions. HOWEVER, you will likely carry the virus at some point (some projections predict up to 70% of the world's population will) and can spread it, even when asymptomatic. The mortality rate of infected persons over age 70 is greater than 10%. Deaths are also much more likely if health care infrastructure is overwhelmed, hence the cancellation of events with large groups.

For the sake of argument, let's say COVID-19 is roughly equivalent to the flu in terms of the effect it has on the human body. This pandemic (note, that was not a term initiated by the media) would be like having the flu emerge 4 months ago WITH NO VACCINE. It's dangerous and irresponsible to downplay the severity. People's lives are at stake.
 

kicksavedave

I'm just here for the memes and gifs.
Sponsor
Apr 29, 2009
10,609
13,255
Fallbrook, CA
www.tiasarms.org
In regards to the danger it presents yes. I’m not saying there isn’t a new flu strand, I’m saying it’s not any different than any new strand that has happened over the last couple decades. The difference with this and the bird flu is we now have social media and socially wait around to butcher people anytime we disagree with them. We are currently wrecking economies over a flu strand that isn’t killing anyone that wouldn’t be dying from any other flu.

There's a lot of false information in this post. I'll stick to the factual differences between Covid-19 and the seasonal flu.

First, seasonal flu has a mortality rate of ~.1%. Coronavirus/Covid19(CV) varies from 2 to 3 to 4 % but if we assume the lower end of 2%, its 20 times more deadly.

Second, Season flu infects ~1.3 people per patient, so it spreads slowly. CV infects (so far, that we know of) between 2 and 3 people per patient, so its 2 to 3 times more contagious than seasonal flu.

Third, we have vaccines for seasonal flu, which most people opt out of, but when a particularly bad strain hits, people go get flu shots at a much higher rate (which is why the first and second numbers are much lower). There is no vaccine for CV despite Trump saying its coming soon. And I work for Gilead, the company that may have a treatment for CV (Remdesivir) , but there is no vaccine on the way anytime soon.

Its always better in times like these that people stick to true facts.
 

Calicaps

NFA
Aug 3, 2006
21,816
14,097
Almost Canada
I have been told not to use physical money as that transmits the virus. I have been advised to go full digital. Should I do that?
It can't hurt. The best available info says that the virus is not airborne. The basic mode of transmission is surface contact and person-to-person contact. Currency is a mobile surface. If you can avoid it for a while, what's the terrible harm?
 

ovikovy817

Registered User
May 23, 2015
6,174
3,769
Belgium
Like I said on a russian sport site yesterday,

I think the big sports competitions (football in Europe, NHL) will take a break for a month.

And then when the panic goes down, they'll restart all.

I just hope NHL won't cancel any game.

Ovi must break the record + Win another Richard +Caps win the Cup
 
  • Like
Reactions: ALLCAPSALLTHETIME

ALLCAPSALLTHETIME

Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
Oct 10, 2009
9,234
4,898
British Columbia, Canada
If that's what the CDC, WHO, et al. are telling you, yes.

Is it that much of an inconvenience to insert your card in the card reader?

Cashless society, here we come. ;)

For the record, I primarily use digital means but I do use some physical money. However, I do have elderly friends who use physical money and cheques. I'd hate to see them get stigmatized since they are not following the directive.
 

NobodyBeatsTheWiz

Happy now?
Jun 26, 2004
23,413
1,964
The Burbs
Cashless society, here we come. ;)

For the record, I primarily use digital means but I do use some physical money. However, I do have elderly friends who use physical money and cheques. I'd hate to see them get stigmatized since they are not following the directive.
I can't really put this delicately, so, who gives a flying f*** about anyone being stigmatized, when the behavior can directly result in someone else's death?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Calicaps

g00n

Retired Global Mod
Nov 22, 2007
30,433
14,291
Alright. Everyone barricade themselves in their own homes wearing full hazmat suits.

Life as we know it has ended.

So your response to reason and facts is hyperbolic mockery? Why do I think your preconceived notions about "the media" are likely the #1 factor behind your theories? Let's have some hyperbolic analogy if we're going that route...

How about this...take a gun with 10 rounds and point it at your mother or grandmother. You know there are at least 1 or 2 live rounds. The rest are blanks. How do you feel about pulling the trigger?
 

Jacoby4HOF66

Pull my finger
Mar 13, 2009
30,522
7,726
Alright. Everyone barricade themselves in their own homes wearing full hazmat suits.

Life as we know it has ended.


So your response to reason and facts is hyperbolic mockery? Why do I think your preconceived notions about "the media" are likely the #1 factor behind your theories? Let's have some hyperbolic analogy if we're going that route...

How about this...take a gun with 10 rounds and point it at your mother or grandmother. You know there are at least 1 or 2 live rounds. The rest are blanks. How do you feel about pulling the trigger?

Let’s all just chill. Whether you think it’s legit or BS the country as a whole is going on lockdown for the next 2 weeks at least. Be vigilant, responsible and safe.
 

g00n

Retired Global Mod
Nov 22, 2007
30,433
14,291
Let’s all just chill. Whether you think it’s legit or BS the country as a whole is going on lockdown for the next 2 weeks at least. Be vigilant, responsible and safe.

Right. Do the right things and don't get strung out over it. Why is that hard for some people? Why do they have to shit on the entire premise of altering behavior for the good of the whole? Everything is not some global conspiracy. Countries are not on lockdown for some US media plot.
 

Capsman

Registered User
Nov 21, 2008
10,266
3,118
Definitely the media hysteria is driving this.

It's almost like the media has an agenda, or something.
OK, so no offense but you have no idea what you're talking about. This has the potential to be very serious and the precautions being taken are to hopefully mitigate those risks. Epidemiologists, physicians, people with experience in emergency preparedness, and a whole bunch of other people who know a lot more than you are taking it very very seriously and advising these same precautions. This is NOT the flu. We were seeing cases of Influenza tricking in in late August, then it really hit December through February. This novel Coronavirus is on a warp speed comparatively. Look at the figures in Italy, where they are now having to decide who lives and who dies. There literally could be another 100,000 deaths here in the US in the span of 4-6 weeks.
 

ALLCAPSALLTHETIME

Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
Oct 10, 2009
9,234
4,898
British Columbia, Canada
So your response to reason and facts is hyperbolic mockery? Why do I think your preconceived notions about "the media" are likely the #1 factor behind your theories? Let's have some hyperbolic analogy if we're going that route...

How about this...take a gun with 10 rounds and point it at your mother or grandmother. You know there are at least 1 or 2 live rounds. The rest are blanks. How do you feel about pulling the trigger?

I have an elderly mother and I have worked with a seniors group for the past 7 years. I am responsible, thanks. I take my health and theirs seriously.

I can also not buy into the fear porn being peddled by the media. (Note: Not anyone on here)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Heath

ALLCAPSALLTHETIME

Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.
Oct 10, 2009
9,234
4,898
British Columbia, Canada
OK, so no offense but you have no idea what you're talking about. This has the potential to be very serious and the precautions being taken are to hopefully mitigate those risks. Epidemiologists, physicians, people with experience in emergency preparedness, and a whole bunch of other people who know a lot more than you are taking it very very seriously and advising these same precautions. This is NOT the flu. We were seeing cases of Influenza tricking in in late August, then it really hit December through February. This novel Coronavirus is on a warp speed comparatively. Look at the figures in Italy, where they are now having to decide who lives and who dies. There literally could be another 100,000 deaths here in the US in the span of 4-6 weeks.

Offense taken. ;)

Wait and see how the doom and gloom plays out.
 

Jacoby4HOF66

Pull my finger
Mar 13, 2009
30,522
7,726
Right. Do the right things and don't get strung out over it. Why is that hard for some people? Why do they have to shit on the entire premise of altering behavior for the good of the whole? Everything is not some global conspiracy. Countries are not on lockdown for some US media plot.

It’s human nature. I was a skeptic for a week or so when things started popping up in this country. Still am to a degree after all the research I’ve had to do on the virus for work. But then I realized a week or so ago my grand parents who are still alive, parents, in laws and aunts and uncles are all over 70. I take precautions with them in mind.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Calicaps
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad

-->