OT: Coronavirus 3 - wait but Covid 19 is SARS-CoV-2

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    I did not allude to the past, I alluded to the present. I am very much aware of the Winter War (Talvisota) and the Continuation War. At one point in my childhood, me and my friend played Finnish soldiers vs imaginary Soviets in a small snow trench we made.

    What I meant is that you speak about the current epidemiologic situation in Finland which is... well a lot better than in the US.

    There is time to fight and time to build.
     
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    Last night, I had to take my Daddy to the ER for a suspected bad diverticulitis flare. No one was allowed to go back with him or remain in the lobby. While I get it, it was so hard to do. We had to sit in the parking lot with Port- a- Potties for hours. The upside is that he did get a Covid test as part of his assessment.

    In my 100s of visits to Duke I was never once not allowed to be with my husband even when they administered CPR. It’s weird now to think of all of the PPE I went through in a day or a week.
     
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    I got that, I just wanted to own up what obviously was to be owned up.

    Because the very least, @cptjeff has given some food for thought. I could argue against, but he's not necessarily wrong. The initial idea of flattening the curve seem to not have been a winning choice, when even Sweden don't seem to be getting anywhere with the herd immunity.

    I can be happy at least that the freezer caravans parked at some Helsinki hospitals don't seem to have seen any use.
     
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    I play a PC game called Steel Division II, which is IMO a pretty dsmn accurate simulation of tactical level warfare.

    The latest mod contains the campaign that the Soviet Leningrad Front launched against Finland in 1944. Pretty cool stuff.
     
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    Yeah I like when the less known conflicts/fronts get some spotlight.

    One of least known ones are the one that happened in the immediate aftermath of the World War I
     
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    Got our first reported Covid-19 positive after attending a protest- a Ohio State LB.

    I wonder how crazy this will get
     
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    I am on a national alliance project for work and one of our fellow members, whose company leads Covid lab testing, shared last Thursday that they were already seeing a big increase in positive tests in cities holding protests. Hinting that a summer reprieve might be lost and urging members to be ready for a second wave sooner than expected.

    Couple that with typical summer behavior and travel, it feels like we are gonna be in a world of hurt for a while until medicine can rescue us.
     
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    I’d be curious to know of everyone’s opinions regarding subsequent lockdowns/phase reductions (ie. Moving from 3 back to 2, 2 back to 1, etc). Initially we were told the lockdowns were to prevent the hospitals from being overrun. That obviously did not happen, and the lockdowns worked. Do we think we need more lockdowns if all we are seeing are plateauing cases and not vast increases? We now know what kind of numbers WOULD overrun hospitals...and it would seem like those numbers would have to be orders of magnitude higher than the worst days we had a few months back.
    I mean, they can go ahead and just say “ok, we know we said it was to prevent hospital overrun, but we are changing our tune” and I’d at least respect their honesty.
    I’m really curious to see what happens going forward.
     
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    We might not have overrun the hospitals previously in NC, but they can't keep operating at the capacity they are at right now. There are hospitals in the area where the ICU staff are burned out and they are now pulling from the general hospitalist staff to cover the staffing shortages. And this is in a state that is still seeing new cases grow in a linear fashion. The only state I know of that is starting to look good is NY, and that is likely because they had such an overrun that they likely saw a large portion of their vulnerable population die already.

    With all of that said, FYI:

     
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    Not to mention people are going to start dying because of stuff that would be preventable under normal circumstances because screenings and some surgeries are done in lower numbers
     
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    Woah, this would be absolutely HUGE if it ends up being true...that said at one point we were told masks don't do anything, then everyone wear masks, and now even after lockdown/WFH/social distancing we're still getting COVID spread, so I'm not really sure anyone has any clue still

    Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is 'very rare,' WHO says
     
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    Welcome to whose epidemic is it anyway, the pandemic where the treatment ideas are made up and the mitigation techniques don't matter.
     
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    I wonder what they classify as "symptomatic". From my understanding, the symptoms include some, but not all of these: Fever, cough, shortness of breath, fatigue, body aches, headache, loss of smell/taste, nausea, diarrhea, congestion, runny nose, sore throat, headache. If someone has 1 of those things, are they symptomatic? 2? 5? etc..

    I've had an on again off again runny nose, congestion, post nasal drip, some sneezing and coughing, and a sore throat (from the post nasal drip) for months, which happens every year during allergy season.

    Agree that if asymptomatic spread is rare that it's big news, just wonder "how symptomatic" someone needs to be.
     
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    That's my thoughts too...with the restrictions in place and how careful sick people should be about potentially spreading it, you would think if ONLY symptomatic folks could spread it we'd have it pretty well stomped out. Or it's possible allergy season has had a part, especially as bad as it's been this year. Maybe someone is asymptomatic of COVID, but bc they're suffering allergies they're still spreading it from coughing/sneezing and such?
     
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    Choose Your Own Adventure, 2020 Pandemic version.
     
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    This is one of the biggest problems with the pandemic, journalism, and just about anything related to politics these days... there's so much conflicting information, often from the same damn data sets, that it becomes impossible to verify without implicit bias (which source you trust most). I'm still erring on the side of caution, but don't let it stop me from going out (following mask/distancing guidelines)
     
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    note that asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic are two different things
     
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    If I had a hard workout, am a little dehydrated, or maybe just ate really unhealthy yesterday, I might have 2-4 of those symptoms at any given time. 3-5 if it's allergy season as you said.
     
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    I'd also love to know how accurate (and large of a sample) the asymptomatic tracing is that they're basing a lot of this on.

    And as an aside, interesting how the people that are jumping all over this report are the same ones that just a couple of weeks ago were talking about how useless and inaccurate anything coming out of the WHO is/was.
     
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