News Article: Corey Pronmans: "Farm system rankings" Habs at 6. -The Athletic

[Habs Halifax]

I'm curious to see who you guys consider true high end talent if you don't think we have at least one.

They are talking about franchise players like Dahlin. It's true we lack this type of player but the group we have is very solid. Especially the top end guys in Kotkaniemi, Poehling, Suzuki, Primeau.

I wonder, is Hischer or Zadina franchise players? How about Svechnikov? I get your point

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

To me Scherbak, Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Brook and even Juulsen project as first liner/top pairing.

 

[Wats]

Wonder where he and the other sites ranked Montreal from 2013-2017.

 

[DAChampion]

If you look at recent Cup winners, you'll see that they had elite talent: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang, Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Kopitar, Chara, Doughty, etc.

None of the Habs players or prospects project to be on that level, hence they need two additional tanking years.

 

[The Great Weal]

Anyone know how many habs prospects are ranked in his top 100?

 

[SOLR]

To me Scherbak, Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Brook and even Juulsen project as first liner/top pairing.

Stop being so homer.

Nobody is top line. everybody is 2nd line, 2nd pairing.

Nobody is scoring 60 points at 19 years old in the NHL. Or nobody is way ahead of the curve on D.

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

Stop being so homer.

Nobody is top line. everybody is 2nd line, 2nd pairing.

Les sceptiques seront confondus - dus-dus - dus.

 

[417]

If you look at recent Cup winners, you'll see that they had elite talent: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang, Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Kopitar, Chara, Doughty, etc.

None of the Habs players or prospects project to be on that level, hence they need two additional tanking years.

The players bolded above, when they were drafted weren't necessarily considered to become elite talents...

If teams thought Evgeny Kuznetsov would be an elite player, he wouldn't of lasted to the 26th pick of the 2010 draft.

Zdeno Chara was like a giraffe on skates his first few years in the NHL.

So i'm not sure it's fair to say no Habs players or prospect project to be elite...we don't know that yet and many factors influence that.

 

[Mrb1p]

If you look at recent Cup winners, you'll see that they had elite talent: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang, Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Kopitar, Chara, Doughty, etc.

None of the Habs players or prospects project to be on that level, hence they need two additional tanking years.

Kuznetsov, Kopitar, Chara, Keith, Letang were in a similar spot to Suzuki, Brook and Kotkaniemi.

 

[DAChampion]

Kuznetsov, Kopitar, Chara, Keith, Letang were in a similar spot to Suzuki, Brook and Kotkaniemi.

Yes and they all (minus Chara) played on teams with other elite talents.

There are no cases other than Boston of the entire core overachieving.

Also, do you really think that Brook should be used as an analogy for Chara?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Anyone know how many habs prospects are ranked in his top 100?

Five.

 

[Mrb1p]

Yes and they all (minus Chara) played on teams with other elite talents.

There are no cases other than Boston of the entire core overachieving.

Also, do you really think that Brook should be used as an analogy for Chara?

Chara is an exceptional player for sure, but he wasn't exceptional at the start of his career.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Chara is an exceptional player for sure, but he wasn't exceptional at the start of his career.

Hoping that your prospects are an anomaly like Chara is just asking for trouble.

 

[Mrb1p]

Hoping that your prospects are an anomaly like Chara is just asking for trouble.

Obviously.

 

[strongcomp05]

Stop being so homer.

Nobody is top line. everybody is 2nd line, 2nd pairing.

Nobody is scoring 60 points at 19 years old in the NHL. Or nobody is way ahead of the curve on D.

lol according to who? nobody knows how they will develop to but automatically think none of them, especially suzuki and kotka cant be first liners is extremely short sighted. why are so many habs fans negative and clueless? damn its sad.

 

[Maitz]

Pronman have kotka #8, suzuki #34, ylonen #38, poehling #44, juulsen #88 and HM to Ikonen. Primeau being #9 on the goalie list

 

[Captain Mountain]

lol according to who? nobody knows how they will develop to but automatically think none of them, especially suzuki and kotka cant be first liners is extremely short sighted. why are so many habs fans negative and clueless? damn its sad.

Saying that none of them will be top line players is probably more correct than projecting all of them to be top line players, even if both takes are probably wrong.

 

[strongcomp05]

Saying that none of them will be top line players is probably more correcting than projecting all of them to be top line players, even if both takes are probably wrong.

fair enough but my point is that its WAYYY to soon to make absolute statements like this...

 

[DAChampion]

It's fair to expect one or two of them to exceed expectations. But that still won't good enough to compete.

 

[sandviper]

Anyone know how many habs prospects are ranked in his top 100?

Kotkaniemi is #8, Suzuki is #34, Ylonen is #38, Poehling is #44 and Juulsen is #88.

Primeau is #8 among goalie prospects.

 

[MC94]

If you look at recent Cup winners, you'll see that they had elite talent: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang, Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Kopitar, Chara, Doughty, etc.

None of the Habs players or prospects project to be on that level, hence they need two additional tanking years.

Well some seem to think kotka has a chance to be a kopitar although unlikely

 

[DAChampion]

Well some seem to think kotka has a chance to be a kopitar although unlikely

Last year's team was awful, and will need to replace Pacioretty, Price, and Weber just to stay level with terrible. The rebuild is just starting.

NM the fact that these guys need to be developed properly.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Pronman have kotka #8, suzuki #34, ylonen #38, poehling #44, juulsen #88 and HM to Ikonen. Primeau being #9 on the goalie list

Who are higher than Primeau?
just curious?

 

[Maitz]

Who are higher than Primeau?
just curious?

Samsonov then Demko Sorokin Shesterkin Hart Husso Gustavsson Primeau in that order

 

[montreal]

To me Scherbak, Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Brook and even Juulsen project as first liner/top pairing.

Scherbak if you count him depending on cutoff of NHL games played. Plus there's no way he's going to be in the AHL anymore but while i don't think he'll be a 1st liner under Julien I do think he can be one as he's got such an elite level passing game with a heck of a shot as well. Just needs a good bit of work on his overall game.

But while I could see Brook being a top pairing D, he needs to take a big step forward in improving his shot, just can't consider him a top pairing D with just 3 goals. I got to think I'm one of his biggest fans around here but that's the main part of his game I want to see improved.

Juulsen I don't count as a top pairing D on a contender until his offensive game improves, he really struggled to produce in his first pro season, although he should never have been called up as he was just starting to put together some offense after getting points in just 1 of his first 26 games.