Mantha is best when he's angry. When he's emotionally invested in a game, watch out. His problem is being invested every game. I trust that with some maturity he will learn to bring it every night and become a good first line winger. If not he'll be Franzen (which isn't bad but not what we had hoped when we drafted him).mantha has said that he underachieved during the season. This feels a bit strange. he knows that he still has to play better, even seemingly prefers a bridge deal - yet still is lazy AF during some games it seems as if he can't get out of his own way
Mantha is best when he's angry. When he's emotionally invested in a game, watch out. His problem is being invested every game. I trust that with some maturity he will learn to bring it every night and become a good first line winger. If not he'll be Franzen (which isn't bad but not what we had hoped when we drafted him).
Franzen was always a ton better defensively than his detractors seem to remember. He could disappear on offense, but he was a rock solid defensive player. A guy coaches anywhere would trust, heck he was a shutdown defensive center before breaking out into a hulking goal scoring winger.
Most of Franzen bashing is basically why wasn't he a top 20 player in the league if he did the things people asked from him. He did them for stretches but ultimately if he did them all the time he would have been the best player in the league. All this time later I am not sure what people really thought the Mule should be. He was a darn good 200 foot hockey player that filled the net a decent amount, played with some physicality and had some massive playoff runs. Unfortunately his career was shortened by injuries. But pretty confused when people don't want another Franzen, uh the guy was really good at hockey.
I do think Mantha could be even better, but I am terribly confused by the way people run Franzen and Osgood in terms of former Wings. I just don't get it at all.
I didn't mean for my post to come off as bashing Franzen, just comparing the fact they're both offensively inconsistent.Franzen was always a ton better defensively than his detractors seem to remember. He could disappear on offense, but he was a rock solid defensive player. A guy coaches anywhere would trust, heck he was a shutdown defensive center before breaking out into a hulking goal scoring winger.
Most of Franzen bashing is basically why wasn't he a top 20 player in the league if he did the things people asked from him. He did them for stretches but ultimately if he did them all the time he would have been the best player in the league. All this time later I am not sure what people really thought the Mule should be. He was a darn good 200 foot hockey player that filled the net a decent amount, played with some physicality and had some massive playoff runs. Unfortunately his career was shortened by injuries. But pretty confused when people don't want another Franzen, uh the guy was really good at hockey.
I do think Mantha could be even better, but I am terribly confused by the way people run Franzen and Osgood in terms of former Wings. I just don't get it at all.
My ideal scenario:
AA - 2 years
Mantha - 3-5 years
Larkin - 6-8 years
I'd rather try to package AA for a defenseman (or to move up in the draft), but I'd be fine with that range for Larkin, and ok with 3 years on Mantha.My ideal scenario:
AA - 2 years
Mantha - 3-5 years
Larkin - 6-8 years
I'd trade AA if he doesn't play ball in negotiations or if there's a really attractive trade out there. If he accepts a 2-year deal at a fair number I'd do it. Still think he could be a guy that just suddenly "gets it" and explodes.I'd rather try to package AA for a defenseman (or to move up in the draft), but I'd be fine with that range for Larkin, and ok with 3 years on Mantha.
I think he could be a really good player if he suddenly "got it", but I don't see him meshing well enough with the current staff to undergo that epiphany while in a Wings jersey. Mantha, ok, but it seems like there's just too much friction between AA and the coaches for that aha moment to occur.I'd trade AA if he doesn't play ball in negotiations or if there's a really attractive trade out there. If he accepts a 2-year deal at a fair number I'd do it. Still think he could be a guy that just suddenly "gets it" and explodes.
What type of deal do Bert and Frk get?
Short, 2-3 years for Bertuzzi and 1-2 years for Frk. 1.0-1.5M ballpark.
Short, 2-3 years for Bertuzzi and 1-2 years for Frk. 1.0-1.5M ballpark.