Consecutive goals without a power play goal

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  1. Johnny Engine

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    Michael Grabner hasn't scored a power play goal since 2013, and if I'm counting correctly, he's scored 96 goals in a row since his last one.
    I've been poking around trying to figure out how close that is to the record. I've been looking at long-career defensive forwards who consistently show up and put a few goals on the board each year, and it looks like Bob Gainey had a stretch of 101 goals in the 80s that eclipses what Grabner has done so far, but is certainly within reach. Luce, Draper, Maltby, Madden, Pandolfo all have power play goals interspersed throughout their body of work, while guys like Joel Otto actually did some damage on the power play themselves.
    Anyone else I should be looking at to figure this out? Or is there a better, more automatic way to figure this out?
     
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    He got another one last night! 97 and counting.
     
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    Here is the best I could find:

    Jim Peplinski scored 114 consecutive goals after his last power play goal on Nov 9, 1982.

    Mike McPhee scored the first 93 goals of his career before he got a power play goal.

    Jamal Mayers who had 90 career goals and no power play.
     
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    Thanks for that. I'm gradually going through a list of 227 players with 90+ career goals and -20 power play goals, and there are a few interesting takeaways so far:

    - a few cases where a trade prompts a change in a player's role. Dave Poulin scored his last power play goal with Philadelphia in March 1989, then scored 16 more before going to Boston and Washington, where scored 44 in a row, bringing him to 60. Gaetan Duschesne got a power play goal in his last game with the Nordiques, then scored 60 more goals on a handful of other teams with no power play success. Matt Stajan scored his last power play goal with Toronto in January 2010, and added 3 more goals before a trade to Calgary, where he brought his streak to 62 goals.
    - The only full-time defensemen who show up on the list are Flash Hollett (we know he played forward some, but he's listed as a D), Phil Russell, and Harry Howell. Russell appears to have the longest streak of the three at 34 goals between 1981 and 1987.
    - There aren't a lot of guys who strike me as similar to Grabner, a fast offense-oriented forward who doesn't score on the power play. One notable exception might be Jason Chimera, who has only 14 of his 186 career goals on the power play, but has no notably long streaks to speak of.
    - Connor McDavid is on the list :laugh:. His longest streak is only 12 goals, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that his peers (Sid, Jagr, etc) rarely go even that long. Upon saying that, I looked and Auston Matthews scored 18 even-strength goals in a row last year - Matthews has 17 power play goals in his career but only 84 in total, so he didn't make the list. He'll have to wait to add to that as he's injured, but now that he's playing on a better unit this year, it'll be interesting to see whether he hits 20 power play goals or 90 goals first.
     
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    Woody Dumart scored 44 non-power play goals betweeen 1939 and 1941, and then either 45 or 46 between 1947-1950, depending on the order he scored his goals on March 5th (my birthday!), 1950.

    Don Marcotte scored 52 in a row between 1973-1975.

    Would not be surprised if these stood as records in their time.

    It would take more digging to figure out which of Peplinski, Gainey or McPhee would have broken (maybe) Marcotte's record as all of them were going at the same time. It also could have been Craig Ramsay, who scored 67 in a row starting around the same time, but he retired while those three were still going.
     
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    Well, I now know that neither Marcotte or Ramsay ever held the record.
    Marcotte's teammate Terry O'Reilly had a 68-goal run, passing Marcotte in 1976 and finally scoring on the powerplay in 1977.
    But years before that, Tony Leswick scored his last power play goal for New York in 1950, and scored 71 more for the Rangers, Wings and Hawks. I'd be very surprised if that wasn't the record at the time, and it looks like it stood until well into the 80s.

    Bob Errey had a 108-goal run from 1987-1993, despite scoring 26 goals on the same shallow Penguins team that Rob Brown got 49 goals for. He passed Gainey for the second longest streak, but followed Peplinski by several years and came 6 goals short. Doug Smail's 86 goals in the same time frame are also notable.
     
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    I've done my counts, and the results are similar to the TS, but not identical. I have Peplinski leading with 126 and Grabner only at 93. Here's what I got:
    Top 10 streaks:


    JIM PEPLINSKI 126 19821123: WSH @ CGY, 41:22 to RETIREMENT
    BILL COOK 124 19261116: MMR @ NYR, 38:37 to 19310222: PIR @ NYR, 04:53
    BOB GAINEY 119 19811205: CGY @ MTL, 47:25 to 19881231: MTL @ EDM, 08:00
    BOB ERREY 118 19870107: WSH @ PIT, 12:26 to 19931105: DAL @ SJS, 59:44
    PASCAL DUPUIS 103 20061122: MIN @ MTL, 38:27 to 20120418: PIT @ PHI, 34:59
    CHARLIE CONACHER 101 19291114: CHI @ TOR, 29:35 to 19330305: TOR @ CHI, 28:30
    ANDREW COGLIANO(*) 101 20111226: ANA @ SJS, 32:46 to 20180418: ANA @ SJS, 47:53
    COONEY WEILAND 100 19290312: CHI @ BOS, 18:49 to 19321227: MMR @ SEN, 42:25
    DERRICK SMITH 96 19841023: PHI @ DAL, 48:19 to RETIREMENT
    FRANK BOUCHER 96 19220204: HAM @ SEN, 30:25 to 19310208: CHI @ NYR, 01:08


    Grabner is at #12

    Top 5 active streaks:
    MICHAEL GRABNER(*) 93 20130416: FLA @ NYI, 23:33 to CURRENT
    ANTOINE ROUSSEL(*) 68 20130201: ARI @ DAL, 09:53 to CURRENT
    NATE THOMPSON(*) 60 20081104: NYI @ NYR, 43:18 to CURRENT
    CAL CLUTTERBUCK(*) 56 20130130: CHI @ MIN, 20:59 to CURRENT
    KYLE BRODZIAK(*) 50 20130325: MIN @ DAL, 52:38 to CURRENT

    The active player with the longest streak (although the streak is over) is Andrew Cogliano with 101 goal in 6.5 seasons between to PP goals.
    Attached is the file with players of max streaks of 40 and over. One longest streak per player.

    I may create a rubrique 'Assortment' on my website and pile all these little researches in there.
     

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    - Do your results include the playoffs? None of mine did, and that would explain the much higher totals for Peplinski and Gainey.
    - Cook, Conacher, Weiland and Boucher should probably not be on the leaderboard as no power play goals are recorded at all before 1933-34 (not sure which source you're using, but none of the ones I've looked at do). All 4 of them regularly started recording power play goals as soon as they started recording them, so there's almost no chance any of them were being used like Grabner and others, especially with a smaller roster size than today.
    - Any chance you could restrict your scan to throw out everything before 1933?
    - Furthermore, any chance you could generate a list of the longest streaks from 1933 to say, 1987 or so, to more fully flesh out the progression of the record?
     
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    I do include playoffs.
    I can set a run 1933-1987; I can generate the progression of the max streak regardless.
    I think it's logical to include playoffs.
    I have collected all available boxscore live feeds from the NHL 1917-2018.
    The earliest PPG I could find was in 1918/19 (I exlcuded PO against the PCHA team in 1917/18), NHL game ID 1918020018:

    "result" : {
    "event" : "Goal",
    "eventCode" : "SEN4590",
    "eventTypeId" : "GOAL",
    "description" : "Harry Cameron (9) , assists: Frank Nighbor (4)",
    "strength" : {
    "code" : "PPG",
    "name" : "Power Play"
    },
    "gameWinningGoal" : true,
    "emptyNet" : false
    },
    "about" : {
    "eventIdx" : 4,
    "eventId" : 4590,
    "period" : 4,
    "periodType" : "OVERTIME",
    "ordinalNum" : "OT",
    "periodTime" : "16:30",
    "periodTimeRemaining" : "",
    "dateTime" : "1919-01-31T01:00:00Z",
    "goals" : {
    "away" : 2,
    "home" : 3
    }
    },
     
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    Here's the progression from 1933 to Peplinski:

    LS: 19331109: ARMAND MONDOU 1
    LS: 19331109: CHARLIE CONACHER 2
    LS: 19331114: EARL ROCHE 3
    LS: 19331112: JOHN SORRELL 4
    LS: 19331116: LARRY AURIE 5
    LS: 19331114: EARL ROCHE 6
    LS: 19331114: EARL ROCHE 7
    LS: 19331121: AUREL JOLIAT 8
    LS: 19331223: CHARLIE CONACHER 9
    LS: 19331121: AUREL JOLIAT 10
    LS: 19331223: CHARLIE CONACHER 11
    LS: 19331121: AUREL JOLIAT 12
    LS: 19331223: CHARLIE CONACHER 13
    LS: 19331223: CHARLIE CONACHER 14
    LS: 19331123: MARTY BARRY 15
    LS: 19331123: MARTY BARRY 16
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    LS: 19331123: MARTY BARRY 18
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    LS: 19331123: MARTY BARRY 33
    LS: 19331123: MARTY BARRY 34
    LS: 19350309: CHARLIE SANDS 35
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    LS: 19350309: CHARLIE SANDS 37
    LS: 19350309: CHARLIE SANDS 38
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    LS: 19350309: CHARLIE SANDS 66
    LS: 19350309: CHARLIE SANDS 67
    LS: 19350309: CHARLIE SANDS 68
    LS: 19681219: ED WESTFALL 69
    LS: 19681219: ED WESTFALL 70
    LS: 19681219: ED WESTFALL 71
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    LS: 19681219: ED WESTFALL 77
    LS: 19681219: ED WESTFALL 78
    LS: 19681219: ED WESTFALL 79
    LS: 19770330: STAN JONATHAN 80
    LS: 19770330: STAN JONATHAN 81
    LS: 19770330: STAN JONATHAN 82
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 83
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    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 100
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 101
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 102
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 103
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 104
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 105
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 106
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 107
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 108
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 109
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 110
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 111
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 112
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    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 114
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 115
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 116
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 117
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 118
    LS: 19811205: BOB GAINEY 119
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 120
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 121
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 122
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 123
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 124
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 125
    LS: 19821123: JIM PEPLINSKI 126
     

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