Connor McDavid Playing With His PCL Torn In Half

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  1. CycloneSweep

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    He took the rehab over the surgery because the surgery would of almost guaranteed he would lose a step speed wise.
     
  2. tenken00

    tenken00 Oh it's going down in Chinatown

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    I never said anything of that sort. You were the one who thought that by injecting your biases into what you believed was my intent. Here is what I wrote in the Oilers forum after someone posted that up:

    The other stuff you are stating doesn't even make sense, I only posted that study up because people were saying that there is nothing out there that shows that having PCL reconstruction is even beneficial or not and that yes, you can find stuff like that through public records. It's just your own clouded closed-mindedness that doesn't want to hear anything otherwise.

    Then you went off on some tangent because it is an evidence level 3. Evidence level 3 just means that you are dealing with documents like hospital records and other patient records. A lot of highly-regarded medical studies are level 3.
     
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    For regrowing knee ligaments? Do you have any source for this?
     
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    Yeah. Both Urlacher and Merriman had that done to try and save their careers. It didn't work for them.
     
  5. BeastMode

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    Here is some reading on it:
    The Effectiveness of Platelet-Rich Plasma (PRP) Injections & How They Work
     
  6. Tkachuky

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    Injury clearly affected him on that play/goal. Looked very slow and awful mobility.
     
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  8. McFlyingV

    McFlyingV Draisaitl is better than Matthews

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    Well you're posting it in a thread about McDavid where people are discussing and even criticizing the organization for him choosing conservative treatment over surgery, and yet even in that article they admit the literature is not clear on if either method is better in the long run. So my apologies if I misinterpreted your intentions.

    With that said, level 3 evidence is still not very strong, and posting a prospective cohort study or systematic review/meta-analysis would at least carry more weight than a study that just looked at a general population and did not account for the types of rehab programs used or the adherence to those programs from the non-surgical population. So to the point of the bolded, really the literature is not clear on the long-term differences, and there likely hasn't been many if any studies conducted using a standardized rehab protocol similar to McDavid's done on elite athlete participants.

    So I suppose if your intention was to solely give people some place that they can read the research then great (although most of the general public won't have a clue how to interpret or even appraise the quality of a study), but you posted a quote from the article that is one-sided and neglected to quote the rest of the article that essentially states that more research in the area is necessary to understand the long-term effects of surgical vs. non-surgical management of PCL ruptures.
     
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    The guy in the blue is Rielly, not McDavid.
     
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    McFlyingV Draisaitl is better than Matthews

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    Ligaments do not regrow. They scar together if you can get the knee positioned for a period of time where the two torn ends can meet for the scarring to occur.
     
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    Terry Jones has seen the documentary and published some quotes from the film:

    JONES: McDavid knee injury documentary bares harrowing journey of non-surgery route

    McDavid's agent Jeff Jackson:
     
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    McFlyingV Draisaitl is better than Matthews

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    A cadaver donor or tendon also isn't as good as the original, but scar tissue can become quite strong and quite functional with appropriate loading. Of course, no tissue will ever be 100% of the original when it comes to ligaments or tendons, but with the proper rehab you can get it remarkably close (say maybe 80-90%), and in the case of the PCL that should be more than enough for a hockey player. Of course if he had another incident like the original he could re-injure it, but if there's enough impact for that then it would probably injure anyone with or without a previous rupture.
     
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    That interview and the Terry Jones article....wow. So let me get this straight. Mcdavid had:

    -a fully torn PCL
    -fully torn meniscus
    -factured tibia
    -fully torn popliteus muscle
    -complete tear of the posterior capsule

    - Initial prognosis was career in jeopardy. He required a fully reconstructed knee that came with MAYBE a 2 year return timeline if surgery went well, and even then he'd never be the same player.
    - Opted for an ground-breaking rehab process that hadn't ever been attempted before.
    - PCL somehow grew back without surgery, along with all the other injuries healing properly (which were all significant by themselves)

    And now.....after initial prognosis told him he'd probably miss 2 years, he was back after the summer, leads the league in scoring again and doesn't look like he's missed a step. I really have no words to describe how in awe I am. Wow.
     
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    I honestly don't understand how it grew back with rehab.

    This is from Harvard's health website:

    If the PCL is torn completely, it can be reconstructed surgically using either a piece of your own tissue (autograft) or a piece of donor tissue (allograft). With an autograft, the surgeon typically replaces the torn PCL with part of your own patellar tendon (the tendon below the kneecap) or a section of tendon taken from a large leg muscle. Almost all these surgeries are performed using arthroscopic (camera-guided) knee surgery, which uses smaller incisions and causes less scarring than traditional surgery. After surgery to reconstruct the PCL, you'll wear a long-leg knee brace and gradually begin a rehabilitation program to strengthen the leg muscles around the knee.
     
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    Connor mcjesus ?
     
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    :skeptic:
     
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    McDavid > Gretzky

    not even close
     
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    Chara is like a huge tower. Practically his PCL is the size of a fist. When it's torn it's just like an average HFboard bro PCL. On the other hand McDavid's game is speed & skills. I don't think this is good for him long term. The Oilers are very selfish for letting him play like this. Health is the most important thing!
     
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    What is the upside to going public with this information?
     
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    Opposing players are going to "test" his knee come playoff time.
     
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    I watched the game where Giordano sent McJesus into the post, I thought that his leg was broken and although not quite that serious, it must have been bad. He is a tough bastard to get through something like that and come back looking faster than ever.
     

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