DannyGallivan
Your world frightens and confuses me
Wins = Team StatHe was above average in Wins, save percentage, and GAA. I'm tired of explaining it though..
Save Percentage = Team Stat
GAA = Team Stat
Wins = Team StatHe was above average in Wins, save percentage, and GAA. I'm tired of explaining it though..
Stats are a fools game when it comes to goalies, since almost all goalie stats are team stats (even save percentages, which don't account for quality shots, screens, rebounds, cleared rebounds, easy shots, etc, or most importantly, clutch play. Hellebuyck hasn't been consistently "clutch" in a couple of seasons. Last night he played absolutely excellent. Now, let's see him do that more consistently.
or most importantly, clutch play. Hellebuyck hasn't been consistently "clutch" in a couple of seasons. Last night he played absolutely excellent. Now, let's see him do that more consistently.
Really? It really isn't difficult to identify clutch players throughout history, and I'm not even talking about being the "clutchiest" player, just a guy who doesn't deflate his team at the worst possible time.Clutch play is the biggest of all the fool's games, for goalies and skaters alike. Trying to find "clutch players" is as worthless as trying to find red or black "hot streaks" in roulette and using them to guide your next bet.
Really? It really isn't difficult to identify clutch players throughout history, and I'm not even talking about being the "clutchiest" player, just a guy who doesn't deflate his team at the worst possible time.
Clutch: Roy in the 93 playoffs. How manyIt isn't difficult to identify which player WAS clutch over the past number of games. Just like it's not difficult to identify which color WAS hot over the past number of spins. But however you quantify "clutch" play, I promise you it will show virtually no correlation year-over-year. Players on the ice in key situations will tend to score goals in key situations and tend to have their mistakes occur in key situations. And when you have goalies who are on the ice all game, you see nothing but rear-view streaks.
Funny how some posters wrote off Hellebuyck after one game. Time to step off the ledge. No idea if Helle can weather the storm, and up his game to counter the depleted blue-line, but he certainly has earned a chance to prove it.
Roy was always good, just because you remember certain playoff moments and romanticize them doesn't make him even "more good".Clutch: Roy in the 93 playoffs. How many
Not clutch: Andrei Vasilevskiy (hate his name by the way... can't memorize the correct spelling) last year. He was great until it counted the most. Yeah, his stats for the year were great, but when they counted the most...
"Clutchiness is a myth..."Roy was always good, just because you remember certain playoff moments and romanticize them doesn't make him even "more good".
That's a hell of sample size you have on Vasilevskiy there. In 2016 he had a playoff SV% of .925 and in 2017 it was .918. Was he clutch then? Or did he just play better? Which are the clutch moments and which aren't? Who decides?
Clutchiness is a myth, a romantic notion that your mind creates, they are random situations, not a skill.
If I had to choose between Patrick Roy and Dominek Hasek to stop a breakaway to win the Stanley Cup, I'd take Hasek everyday and twice on Sundays, but not because he's "clutch".
Billy Smith was simply a great player on a great team. Which of his 4 Stanley Cups were most clutch? What happened in '84? Did he forget how to be clutch? Was someone more clutch than him?"Clutchiness is a myth..."
Yeahhhh, okay, if you say so.
Funny how some posters think Helle is 'back' after one good game. Time to get back on the ledge. Helle has been mediocre for two years now, not sure what you are talking about. If he can consistently play like he did last game I will gladly put my foot in my mouth.
Great player in general or great playoff performer?Billy Smith was simply a great player on a great team. Which of his 4 Stanley Cups were most clutch? What happened in '84? Did he forget how to be clutch? Was someone more clutch than him?
Funny how some posters think Helle is 'back' after one good game. Time to get back on the ledge. Helle has been mediocre for two years now, not sure what you are talking about. If he can consistently play like he did last game I will gladly put my foot in my mouth.
Clutch isn't a skill it's a situation. 4 straight Cups isn't just good, it's very good. Like I said he was a very good player. He didn't rely on some magical ability to be clutch in some random moment, he just relied on being consistently very f***ing good.Great player in general or great playoff performer?
Do you have to have a 100 per cent winning percentage to be considered clutch? I think four straight Cups is pretty good.
If clutch is a myth, then is choking a myth too?Clutch isn't a skill it's a situation. 4 straight Cups isn't just good, it's very good. Like I said he was a very good player. He didn't rely on some magical ability to be clutch in some random moment, he just relied on being consistently very ****ing good.
Depends on your definition of choking and what that constitutes.If clutch is a myth, then is choking a myth too?
Sorry, since he stunk in the play offs two years ago.Mediocre for two years? Really? That’s factually false.
If clutch is a myth, then is choking a myth too?
Read the first line and don’t agree, and stopped there.Even when Hellebuyck is good, he doesn't particularly look so. So when he is bad, he looks really bad. He doesn't really have the acrobatic big saves in him, so when his fundamentals are lacking, he just looks slow, clumsy and downright bad. When he plays well, he's super calm and seemingly doesn't have to do much.
I'm not 100% sold on him, but he should be good enough. I think he should be a bit faster and agile to really reach a top goalie status in this league, but I don't think he is a problem. He seems to play better when he has some competition for the job, at least that's my impression. For 17-18 he started as the young goalie behind Mason, who I guess was expected to be the starter.
18-19 he was bad for a stretch, then he was good for a stretch and then he was OK in the playoffs. He gave up some goals were making a save would've been big, but on the other hand overall it could be argued he was more consistent of the two goalies in that series and Jets lost for reasons outside his control.
I do think he was overplayed last season when he was struggling and Brossoit was doing well. Nothing wrong with riding the hotter hand for a bit, it's good for the team's chances and also lessens the workload of the starter. Seemed to work pretty well in Boston last season.
Read the first line and don’t agree, and stopped there.