Value of: Connor Brown + Jeremy Bracco to Chicago

[Albus Dumbledore]

What about Brown by himself?

hard to say, browns value is low and he gets no minutes here, id say a 2nd or a 3rd plus prospect tbh.
While his value is low, leafs have no reason to move him, other then hes slightly costly to them.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

What about Brown by himself?

Not for any of those players honestly, Brown still produces.

Our forwards are too good.
Brown, 2nd, Zaitsev for DeBrincat would probably be authorized.

 

[NyIander]

Our forwards are too good.
Brown, 2nd, Zaitsev for DeBrincat.

If you think any of those players pull Bracco you should stop watching hockey. When have I ever mentioned Zaitsev?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Leafs need is a RD, defensive, physical.... so, basically Connor Murphy. I highly doubt he'd be on the table, particularly in a Connor's swap..... so pretty much the conversation ends there

Murphy likely isn't available. I wouldn't say he's entirely untouchable, but not likely to be moved.

What would you propose for him?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

If you think any of those players pull Bracco you should stop watching hockey. When have I ever mentioned Zaitsev?

I needed to upgrade Chicago's side and downgrade ours - standard stuff. I never said anything about those Chicago players. Our forwards are too good.

 

[Stephen]

I get that Chicago's trying to do a youth movement on the fly and needs to take advantage of some teams to do so. Keep chatting with Arizona, I don't think there's a deal with Toronto.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Does any combination of the following players get the job done?

Marcus Kruger
Brendan Perlini
Dylan Sikura
Gustav Forsling
John Hayden

Kruger is overpaid and the other 4 wouldn't crack the roster....so, no.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Does any combination of the following players get the job done?

Marcus Kruger
Brendan Perlini
Dylan Sikura
Gustav Forsling
John Hayden

I see no reason for TOR to trade for any of those particular players.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Bracco is meh at best and brown is worthless he’s basically perlini but more expensive

Not piece worth a 19 year old defensemen that already has nhl value.

 

[araisarena]

"Bracco meh at best" ight good day bud. Lock this bad boy up.

 

[LDF]

as i keep seeing, posters are still trying to add D-cat with any trade for Brown or any lower tier prospects...... c'mon and wake up. D-cat is going no where.

ref Brown , he is at best a 3rd line forwar/center who may be a play-maker who will have his points in a assist. but not if he doesn't see the 2nd line or better and i don't see that of him.

the pkg org offered is a fair pkg and will provide bodies of equal talent expected from Brown. truth be told, i think it may be an over-kill.

Sikura, Forsling and esp Perlini is really the right price. either way, that is my opinion.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Bracco is meh at best and brown is worthless he’s basically perlini but more expensive

Not piece worth a 19 year old defensemen that already has nhl value.

This is hilarious...so your 19 year old that already got sent back down to the AHL is great but a 21 year old smoking the AHL is meh...haha.

 

[justafan22]

Murphy likely isn't available. I wouldn't say he's entirely untouchable, but not likely to be moved.

What would you propose for him?

Kapanen is too much for murphy.

Brown ++?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

If the Hawks are sending Jokiharju to the Leafs you can bet Nylander is coming back.

 

[bansheebeat]

as i keep seeing, posters are still trying to add D-cat with any trade for Brown or any lower tier prospects...... c'mon and wake up. D-cat is going no where.

ref Brown , he is at best a 3rd line forwar/center who may be a play-maker who will have his points in a assist. but not if he doesn't see the 2nd line or better and i don't see that of him.

the pkg org offered is a fair pkg and will provide bodies of equal talent expected from Brown. truth be told, i think it may be an over-kill.

Sikura, Forsling and esp Perlini is really the right price. either way, that is my opinion.

Nobody is asking for D-cat, especially in exchange for Brown. That's just people making fun of the proposal. Also, Brown isn't a centre or a playmaker. He's a defensive winger who can muck his way to 15 goals if surrounded by solid players.

But the real reason Leaf fans take issue with the OP is Bracco. He has elite vision--maybe only 2nd to Marner on the Leafs. He's undersized so nobody is sure what to make of him yet, but he's PPG in the AHL and capable of 40 assists in the NHL if his size doesn't hold him back.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Kapanen is too much for murphy.

Brown ++?

I guess it depends on what the pluses are.

I can't see the Hawks wanting Brown as the centerpiece in a Murphy deal just because we don't really have anyone else who plays like him. It'd be tough to replace.

 

[Dr Danglefest]

This is a whole bunch of wrong... Bracco is 3rd in AHL scoring at 21. That's pretty good for 'meh'.

Perlini is a scorer who can't score. Brown is a defensive forward first, yet still can outproduce Perlini. He's more expensive because he's a lot better.

Quite frankly, there is nothing to get anything done unless Chicago will pay picks for Brown.

Is Brown a Defensive Forward first? Or has he merely been forced into a checking line role with the leafs depth? I always thought he was a shooter first and foremost? Honest question

 

[LDF]

Nobody is asking for D-cat, especially in exchange for Brown. That's just people making fun of the proposal. Also, Brown isn't a centre or a playmaker. He's a defensive winger who can muck his way to 15 goals if surrounded by solid players.

But the real reason Leaf fans take issue with the OP is Bracco. He has elite vision--maybe only 2nd to Marner on the Leafs. He's undersized so nobody is sure what to make of him yet, but he's PPG in the AHL and capable of 40 assists in the NHL if his size doesn't hold him back.

and yet scouting rpt have mention his bread and butter will be in the assist column.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Not sure why you're including Bracco. Def not trading him for any of those players listed.

Brown can be had but it just doesnt make sense for any of those players you listed

Lol

 

[glucker]

If the Hawks are sending Jokiharju to the Leafs you can bet Nylander is coming back.

If Nylander is going back you can bet Kane is included too.


That's how this works, right?

 

[Pile]

Basically all cap dumps, Forsling is about the best of a pretty terrible group. We have no need for LHD. Especially a 24 year old who is meh.

Bracco is a PPG in AHL and might be something, Brown is an excellent PK and decent middle 6. Can play second line in a pinch but ideally suited for 3rd line duty. Awful for Toronto.

Cap dumps?

Marcus Kruger: $3M,
Brendan Perlini: $863,333
Dylan Sikura: $925,000
Gustav Forsling: $872,500
John Hayden: $750,000

All of those contracts, besides Hayden's whopping $750K expire after this season. I get that that the value is off here, but to call these guys cap dumps is pathetically false.

 

[LeafGrief]

Is Brown a Defensive Forward first? Or has he merely been forced into a checking line role with the leafs depth? I always thought he was a shooter first and foremost? Honest question

He's a swiss army knife, though his primarily deployment on the Leafs is as a defensive forward and forechecker. Babcock trusts him in defensive situations and will put him on matchup lines with Kadri, or last year even spent some time with Bozak and JVR to bring some defensive mindedness. He's got a little bit of offensive talent so he can mesh with other talented forwards (he scored 20g as a rookie, spending some time with Matthews and a few PP minutes), but not nearly enough to drive results by himself. He's got okay vision, and an okay shot to chip in, but he's not an offensive forward at this point.

He's a great deapth piece. Ideally, you have more talented forwards so that Brown can stay in the bottom six, but he's an adequate fill-in if he needs to move up due to injuries. IMO he's worth a late second round pick at the draft. We'd like to keep as much depth as possible for our playoff run. The only reason we're looking to deal him is if he brings value to get a better player, or to dump some cap space for next season. He won't be traded for futures at the deadline.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

If Nylander is going back you can bet Kane is included too.


That's how this works, right?

You think Nylander is worth that much more than Jokiharju? Nah

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Bracco is a five foot nine wing who's 21 playing in the A.

He's nothing more then Sikura

 

[Patmac40]

Bracco is a five foot nine wing who's 21 playing in the A.

He's nothing more then Sikura

Except he's two years younger putting up more than a ppg in the A