Conn Smythe Challenge: choose the winners pre-1965

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  1. DannyGallivan

    DannyGallivan Your world frightens and confuses me

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    We all know that Jean Beliveau won the Conn Smythe Trophy in 1965. But, considering the lofty honour of winning the Conn Smythe, who would have won in previous years? Patrick Roy has won the most times, with three. But would the Rocket have won just as much? Which Hawk would have won it in '61? Who among the no-name Leafs of the early 60's would have won the award.

    With so many hockey historians who visit this section, I challenge you to complete the list.
     
  2. Mike Farkas

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    Some others' thoughts...

    THN's selections for Conn Smythe (from Great Debates, 2004)
    1918 Alf Skinner
    1920-21 Jack Darragh
    1922 Babe Dye
    1923 Punch Broadbent
    1924 Howie Morenz
    1925 Jack Walker
    1926 Nels Stewart
    1927 Alex Connell
    1928 Frank Boucher
    1929 Tiny Thompson
    1930 George Hainsworth
    1931 Johnny Gagnon
    1932 Charlie Conacher
    1933 Ivan Johnson
    1934 Lionel Conacher
    1935 Baldy Northcott
    1936 Normie Smith
    1937 Marty Barry
    1938 Gordie Drillon
    1939 Bill Cowley
    1940 Phil Watson
    1941 Milt Schmidt
    1942 Syl Apps
    1943 Sid Abel
    1944 Toe Blake
    1945 Frank McCool
    1946 Elmer Lach
    1947-48 Ted Kennedy
    1949 Turk Broda
    1950 Chuck Rayner
    1951, 1953, 1958 Maurice Richard
    1952 Terry Sawchuk
    1954 Red Kelly
    1955, 1964 Gordie Howe
    1956 Jean Beliveau
    1957 Bernie Geoffrion
    1959 Marcel Bonin
    1960 Jacques Plante
    1961 Pierre Pilote
    1962 Tim Horton
    1963 Johnny Bower


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    TDMM followed up with this...

    Different selections by the Retro Conn Smythe Project

    1919: Lalonde (THN doesn't list anyone, I assume because the finals were cancelled)
    1933: Cecil Dillon
    1943: Jack Stewart
    1945: Ted Kennedy
    1953: Ed Sandford
    1954: Terry Sawchuk
    1962: Stan Mikita
    1964: Bob Pulford

    The HHOF project has been criticized for including a player from the losing team too many times - Normie Smith in 1936, Gordie Drillon in 1938, Chuck Rayner in 1950, Maurice Richard in 1951, Ed Sandford in 1953, and Stan Mikita in 1962. The THN list gives the 1953 and 1962 Smythes to players on the winning team which is probably more realistic.

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    Now, me: I remember years ago someone said the Retro Conn Smythe thing was being taken off of wikipedia and maybe off of somewhere else too...I'm certain that we have it memoralized somewhere...but with the board migration, I'm not sure where or if we care...
     
  3. DannyGallivan

    DannyGallivan Your world frightens and confuses me

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    Thanks so much. I would have liked to have thought of this before my top 120 list, but it's interesting reading.
     
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    I did a retro smythes feature in an issue of THN in June. I went with the winners named by SIHR/HHOF following heavy research around 2000. But I did outline three times that a defenseman could have won it instead of their selected winner (they chose defensemen far too infrequently):

    1921: Eddie Gerard
    1958 and/or 1960: Doug Harvey
    1962: Tim Horton
     
  5. VanIslander

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    Earl Seibert in 1938?

    He played 55 minutes a game and his coach pointed to him as the reason they won. The Leafs offense was held to a mere 1 goal a game in each of their losses in the Final, and Earl's defensive play was praised. Maybe you thought goalie Alfie Moore was the bigger hero?
     
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    Yes.

    Also 1950 Harry Lumley, semi-finals shutouts in game 6 and 7.

    1959 Dickie Moore,playoff scoring leader. 17 points in 11 games, 108 point season pace.Bonin lived off Moore.
     
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    Horton really should have won it in 1962. SIHR gave it to Mikita largely because he set the record for postseason scoring, but postseason scoring was trending up, and what was the record for scoring by a defenseman before that season?

    I mean we're talking a two-way defenseman leading the Cup winner in scoring
     
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    Yep, that was essentially my case.
     

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