Value of: Columbus-Florida Defense for Offense

[Viqsi]

I don't actually have a specific proposal here, because I only know vague assertions about Florida's situation. It sounds like Florida could use defensive help, and we'd kind of like offensive help, and so I wonder if something can be worked out.

There's one ground rule - I think we can all safely agree that any proposal involving Barkov or Jones is an automatic "no". So let's just not go there. Cool? Cool.


From Columbus's perspective, our needs would be at C and LW. The obvious ideal target is Trocheck, but unless there's some way to get him without offering up someone like Werenski I suspect that's not going to work out. Someone like Hoffman would also help, although a quick stats glance shows he's kind of ludicrously hot right now so this may be a bad time to ask.

For Florida... I get the impression that what the Panthers really need is defensive LD help, but I'm not sure at what level. I'm assuming Yandle still has the top pair position sewn up, but beyond that I'm uncertain (in particular, I have no idea at all how Matheson is doing, and I haven't the slightest clue who would be on the depth chart after him). I've heard the "let's trade Pysyk" rumors as well, but I'm assuming that's mostly a short-term cap thing. If that impression of mine is correct and if something small helps, we can spare Harrington without worries; otherwise, discussions would probably be about Murray or Gavrikov.

So... is there anything in particular we can work out? Or is this one of those "looks like they could be good trade partners but actually aren't" situations?

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[TheImpatientPanther]

Thing is, FLA wont want to move any offense right now and would probably prefer to add with picks/prospects.
As you said, Pysyk is on the block so unless CBJ is embracing a retool kind of year, I dont see Dadonov or Hoffman moved.

Murray would be of interest to FLA but only for futures + Pysyk (cap dump).

No to Trocheck as Borgstrom isnt really close to 2C at all.

 

[Viqsi]

Thing is, FLA wont want to move any offense right now and would probably prefer to add with picks/prospects.

That would restrict us to offering someone like Harrington. If that helps, then, hey, great; otherwise, this will probably be a short conversation.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

That would restrict us to offering someone like Harrington. If that helps, then, hey, great; otherwise, this will probably be a short conversation.

We will probably re-sign one of Hoff or Dadonov and the other may be a pure rental if we make playoffs.

You are right about Tallon wanting a shutdown LD. But I'd assume itd be a higher aim than Harrington. Also he has 2 years left on his deal and we have LD prospects ready by next year (Stillman, Gildon, McCoshen) who would play on the bottom pairing. As it is, Yandle is on the bottom pairing while Matheson is with Stralman and Weegar playing on his off side with Ekblad.

Not really sure there is an ideal hockey trade that truly improves either team without subtracting a key piece, but in theory, you're right that we are loaded with offense and you guys with defense.

 

[ViD]

I don’t see anyone on Panthers roster that they would be willing to ship to us and we would be gaining a lot from.

That said, I’d trade anyone on CBJ roster for Barkov

 

[GrumpyKelly]

I don't actually have a specific proposal here, because I only know vague assertions about Florida's situation. It sounds like Florida could use defensive help, and we'd kind of like offensive help, and so I wonder if something can be worked out.

There's one ground rule - I think we can all safely agree that any proposal involving Barkov or Jones is an automatic "no". So let's just not go there. Cool? Cool.


From Columbus's perspective, our needs would be at C and LW. The obvious ideal target is Trocheck, but unless there's some way to get him without offering up someone like Werenski I suspect that's not going to work out. Someone like Hoffman would also help, although a quick stats glance shows he's kind of ludicrously hot right now so this may be a bad time to ask.

For Florida... I get the impression that what the Panthers really need is defensive LD help, but I'm not sure at what level. I'm assuming Yandle still has the top pair position sewn up, but beyond that I'm uncertain (in particular, I have no idea at all how Matheson is doing, and I haven't the slightest clue who would be on the depth chart after him). I've heard the "let's trade Pysyk" rumors as well, but I'm assuming that's mostly a short-term cap thing. If that impression of mine is correct and if something small helps, we can spare Harrington without worries; otherwise, discussions would probably be about Murray or Gavrikov.

So... is there anything in particular we can work out? Or is this one of those "looks like they could be good trade partners but actually aren't" situations?

Yandle has fallen to a bottom pairing, PP specialist role. FWIW.

 

[Fro]

Yeah, troechek and Hoff are obvious fixes for CBJ, totally understand why they wouldn't be moved rn

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

Murray would be of interest. But I don't know if we have anything that we would part with to get him.

 

[Mogo]

Will trade Yandle for whatever

 

[Viqsi]

Will trade Yandle for whatever

We're kind of overstocked on D, so that doesn't help us; you'd have to talk to someone else.

 

[rt]

Will trade Yandle for whatever

I’ll give you Goligoski for Yandle.

 

[Gatorbait19]

I could see the panthers doing a 1st + decent prospect for Murray or Savard. Panthers would have to send some salary back too though I think.

While I recognize the BJs need scoring, there’s no quick fix that will turn them into a contender. You guys should be selling everyone with the exception of Jones and Dubois.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Will trade Yandle for whatever

I haven't watched Yandle since his Coyotes days, but is he that bad? He put up 62pts. last season...is he just horrible defensively? Soft? Slow? locker room cancer?

Besides his $6.35M cap hit thru 22-2023 & age 33, what are his detractors?

 

[Laus723]

I haven't watched Yandle since his Coyotes days, but is he that bad? He put up 62pts. last season...is he just horrible defensively? Soft? Slow? locker room cancer?

Besides his $6.35M cap hit thru 22-2023 & age 33, what are his detractors?

imo he gets crapped on more than he should. He’s offensively minded and is decent one on one, but he what he is. He’s a puck mover and is good on the PP.

So far as the OP, we have an extra guy in Pysyk currently and have guys in the wings. I’d love Murray or Savard, but we’d have to send a couple guys out.

 

[cslebn]

I could see the panthers doing a 1st + decent prospect for Murray or Savard. Panthers would have to send some salary back too though I think.

While I recognize the BJs need scoring, there’s no quick fix that will turn them into a contender. You guys should be selling everyone with the exception of Jones and Dubois.

I think many CBJ fans will struggle with this since we've consistently had one of the youngest rosters over the last 3 years (still do). This is typically a strategty for an older team (eg NYR recently).

CBJ 25 and under:
Anderson, Bjorkstrand, PLD, Bemmstrom, Gavrikov, Jones, Korpisalo, Milano, Merlikins, Nutivaara, Texier, Wennberg, Werenski

CBJ Roster under 30 (>25):
Hannikainen (26), Harrington (26), Jenner (26), Kukan (26), Lilja (26), Murray (26), Savard (29)

CBJ roster 30 and over:
Atkinson, Folgino, Nash, Nyquist​

*Dubi out indefintely (IR)

 

[cslebn]

I don't actually have a specific proposal here, because I only know vague assertions about Florida's situation. It sounds like Florida could use defensive help, and we'd kind of like offensive help, and so I wonder if something can be worked out.

There's one ground rule - I think we can all safely agree that any proposal involving Barkov or Jones is an automatic "no". So let's just not go there. Cool? Cool.


From Columbus's perspective, our needs would be at C and LW. The obvious ideal target is Trocheck, but unless there's some way to get him without offering up someone like Werenski I suspect that's not going to work out. Someone like Hoffman would also help, although a quick stats glance shows he's kind of ludicrously hot right now so this may be a bad time to ask.

For Florida... I get the impression that what the Panthers really need is defensive LD help, but I'm not sure at what level. I'm assuming Yandle still has the top pair position sewn up, but beyond that I'm uncertain (in particular, I have no idea at all how Matheson is doing, and I haven't the slightest clue who would be on the depth chart after him). I've heard the "let's trade Pysyk" rumors as well, but I'm assuming that's mostly a short-term cap thing. If that impression of mine is correct and if something small helps, we can spare Harrington without worries; otherwise, discussions would probably be about Murray or Gavrikov.

So... is there anything in particular we can work out? Or is this one of those "looks like they could be good trade partners but actually aren't" situations?

I think this will fall back to Werenski for one of Trochek/Huberdeau/Hoffman pretty quickly but really I think it's too soon for both teams to make a trade like this. Both teams had some major turnover and now need to get figured out with where and who they are.

I do wonder what the price for Brett Connolly might be though. Mybe build something around Nutivaara who would be more cost effective for Florida.

 

[Dumais]

Thing is, FLA wont want to move any offense right now and would probably prefer to add with picks/prospects.
As you said, Pysyk is on the block so unless CBJ is embracing a retool kind of year, I dont see Dadonov or Hoffman moved.

Murray would be of interest to FLA but only for futures + Pysyk (cap dump).

No to Trocheck as Borgstrom isnt really close to 2C at all.

Maybe something around this, and whatever it takes to even things out?

 

[CraigsList]

I’ll give you Goligoski for Yandle.

I miss Yandle on the Yotes.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Maybe something around this, and whatever it takes to even things out?

As much as it does make sense for team needs, Tallon will probably want to see what he has in Borgstrom.

Right now he's struggled his first 4 games but they need to know if he will be good enough to be Trocheck's possible replacement if he doesn't re-sign in 3 years.

We aren't really stacked at C prospects but Malgin in theory could replace Borgstrom.
In the end, I like the idea but dont say yes.

Florida's only valued tradeable assets are 1sts, high end winger prospects and mid level D prospects.

 

[Dumais]

As much as it does make sense for team needs, Tallon will probably want to see what he has in Borgstrom.

Right now he's struggled his first 4 games but they need to know if he will be good enough to be Trocheck's possible replacement if he doesn't re-sign in 3 years.

We aren't really stacked at C prospects but Malgin in theory could replace Borgstrom.
In the end, I like the idea but dont say yes.

Florida's only valued tradeable assets are 1sts, high end winger prospects and mid level D prospects.

Cool

 

[Gatorbait19]

I think many CBJ fans will struggle with this since we've consistently had one of the youngest rosters over the last 3 years (still do). This is typically a strategty for an older team (eg NYR recently).

CBJ 25 and under:
Anderson, Bjorkstrand, PLD, Bemmstrom, Gavrikov, Jones, Korpisalo, Milano, Merlikins, Nutivaara, Texier, Wennberg, Werenski

CBJ Roster under 30 (>25):
Hannikainen (26), Harrington (26), Jenner (26), Kukan (26), Lilja (26), Murray (26), Savard (29)

CBJ roster 30 and over:
Atkinson, Folgino, Nash, Nyquist​

*Dubi out indefintely (IR)

Definitely some nice young pieces there, but you’ll need more than that to become serious competitors again. Especially as a small market team.

Although you guys have had a young roster, the reality is you were competitors and not operating as a rebuilding team. It’s likely the BJs end up a bottom 5-10 this year and if you guys want a real chance at a cup in the future, you’ve gotta operate as such. Turn Murray, Savard and Atkinson into 2-3 firsts and 2-3 decent to good prospects, suck this year and next and get high picks, and next thing you know you’ll be loaded and a real contender.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

I think this will fall back to Werenski for one of Trochek/Huberdeau/Hoffman pretty quickly but really I think it's too soon for both teams to make a trade like this. Both teams had some major turnover and now need to get figured out with where and who they are.

I do wonder what the price for Brett Connolly might be though. Mybe build something around Nutivaara who would be more cost effective for Florida.

Hoffman has less value than Huberdeau or Trocheck. And I'm sure that Hoff wouldn't be close to getting Werenski, and we would probably want to keep Hoff since we're in the go for it mode. Trocheck I'm not willing to trade, and I don't think Tallon would either, plus our center depth is weak, so we can't be trading centers. And Huberdeau is pretty much unavailable.

 

[Viqsi]

I could see the panthers doing a 1st + decent prospect for Murray or Savard. Panthers would have to send some salary back too though I think.

While I recognize the BJs need scoring, there’s no quick fix that will turn them into a contender. You guys should be selling everyone with the exception of Jones and Dubois.

Your opinion on this matter has been previously noted. You still aren't getting Atkinson.

 

[Gatorbait19]

Your opinion on this matter has been previously noted. You still aren't getting Atkinson.

Lol while I would happily take Atkinson, he’s not the reasoning behind my comment. Although it’s still very early, the BJs season has gone as most expected and unlikely to get much better. Thus, it’s time to start that rebuild that you really should’ve started last trade deadline (but understand and have no issue with Jarmo going for it).

 

[mikeyp24]

Cam is a lifer he wants to play here and no where else he could have left but said he doesnt want to play outside of Columbus .