Ottawa could be in store for a historically bad season. Giving them their 1st back which could net a franchise type player is a lot in my eyes.
Yeah but if they can get Stone to an extension he's worth a lot more than a 4th overall.
They very well may have the worst record in the league. Potential 1st overall is a lot to give up.
Last time I checked they have Duchene, Stone, and Karlsson still on this team as well as Ryan, Dzingel, Tkachuk, Formenton, Pageau and Anderson on his up year. They are a fringe playoff team if they go into this year with who they have.They very well may have the worst record in the league. Potential 1st overall is a lot to give up.
Last time I checked they have Duchene, Stone, and Karlsson still on this team as well as Ryan, Dzingel, Tkachuk, Formenton, Pageau and Anderson on his up year. They are a fringe playoff team if they go into this year with who they have.
Yup.. Sens haven't missed the playoffs in back to back seasons in 16 years. 2 years ago you could argue they had a worse team than this upcoming season and what do you know they made the Conf finals.Fringe playoff team lol
Last time I checked they have Duchene, Stone, and Karlsson still on this team as well as Ryan, Dzingel, Tkachuk, Formenton, Pageau and Anderson on his up year. They are a fringe playoff team if they go into this year with who they have.
How do you know this? Sens can easily get back 1 young stud and other pieces in the deal for Karlsson and use the money they will save to sign a dman or forward. This puts them right back in the race.And if you trade Karlsson like has been rumored for months then you’re a lotto team. If I’m Colorado I hold off on trading that 1st until I’m pretty damn sure of the situation there.
And yet Melnyk is on record multiple times as saying the team is not for sale and he does not want to sale it.
Presents ONE "fact" when EVERYTHING is on his side of this discussion and then runs away to hide...too funnyLike I said, if you want to choose to ignore everything being presented in front of you go ahead.
I hope the Sens do figure things out for the sake of the rest of your fan base. On the other hand, I cant wait for you to be wrong to see how you twist things again for your own fantasy.
How do you know this? Sens can easily get back 1 young stud and other pieces in the deal for Karlsson and use the money they will save to sign a dman or forward. This puts them right back in the race.
You seem to be missing the rather important fact that EK was not dealt, at the deadline or around the draft, in spite of reports that it was a done deal.To me the most damning evidence has always been that Ryan was quoted after the trade deadline stating his agent told him that a trade had been made with him and Karlsson in it and that he thought he was gone. If Melnyk wanted to sell I don’t see why he would trade Karlsson as Karlsson would presumably be a big draw for a potential buyer, and there’s absolutely no way a deal wasn’t extremely close to being finalized going by the Ryan quote. The hiring of a new COO, extension to Dorion, and refinancing of debt also would be strange moves by Melnyk if a sale was imminent and less than a year away like some would suggest. I do think Melnyk is eventually going to sell but I don’t think it happens before the trade deadline of this year, which is when it would need to happen to retain Karlsson/Stone/Duchene as I don’t think another team is going to risk getting Tavares’d, if they won’t sign they’ve got to be traded.
How do you know this? Sens can easily get back 1 young stud and other pieces in the deal for Karlsson and use the money they will save to sign a dman or forward. This puts them right back in the race.
Last time I checked they have Duchene, Stone, and Karlsson still on this team as well as Ryan, Dzingel, Tkachuk, Formenton, Pageau and Anderson on his up year. They are a fringe playoff team if they go into this year with who they have.
You don’t go so far as Ryan’s agent believing a deal had been made just to try and “scare” potential buyers into buying more quickly. If you believe a deal was not incredibly close to coming to fruition, then I don’t think you’re looking at this rationally at all. Threatening to destroy your own franchise is not a negotiation tactic that can be used to drive up the price of said franchise.You seem to be missing the rather important fact that EK was not dealt, at the deadline or around the draft, in spite of reports that it was a done deal.
The bizarre way the Sens have handled this whole situation could be explained by both sides trying to use the potential EK trade as a pressure point in the sale negotiations.
Melnyk might have perceived it to be a pressure point for the new buyers group which includes EK's mentor Alfie. I think Eugene misread the situation, but the fact that they have now TWICE pulled back from the brink of a deal suggests unusual stuff is going on behind the scenes.You don’t go so far as Ryan’s agent believing a deal had been made just to try and “scare” potential buyers into buying more quickly. If you believe a deal was not incredibly close to coming to fruition, then I don’t think you’re looking at this rationally at all. Threatening to destroy your own franchise is not a negotiation tactic that can be used to drive up the price of said franchise.
The situation has been unusual but not unprecedented, Duchene just last year was constantly in the rumour mill for over a year with many “close calls” to being traded. The reason he wasn’t traded was because teams weren’t offering enough, not because of some absurd scheme like what you’re proposing Melnyk is doing. Occam’s razor suggests the reason Karlsson hasn’t been traded this summer is because teams are trying to steal him rather than offer a fair package and that Melnyk is hoping the offers improve in November, just like they did for Duchene.Melnyk might have perceived it to be a pressure point for the new buyers group which includes EK's mentor Alfie. I think Eugene misread the situation, but the fact that they have now TWICE pulled back from the brink of a deal suggests unusual stuff is going on behind the scenes.
How do you know this? Sens can easily get back 1 young stud and other pieces in the deal for Karlsson and use the money they will save to sign a dman or forward. This puts them right back in the race.
Yup.. Sens haven't missed the playoffs in back to back seasons in 16 years. 2 years ago you could argue they had a worse team than this upcoming season and what do you know they made the Conf finals.
Last time I checked they had those exact same pieces last year outside of Tkachuk who is probably going back to college anyway.Last time I checked they have Duchene, Stone, and Karlsson still on this team as well as Ryan, Dzingel, Tkachuk, Formenton, Pageau and Anderson on his up year. They are a fringe playoff team if they go into this year with who they have.
Last time I checked they had those exact same pieces last year outside of Tkachuk who is probably going back to college anyway.
They’ve also lost Hoffman since then. As well as Brassard who played 3/4’s of last season with the team.
Making a sales pitch of how good your team is when you have to mention 41 point career high Ryan Dzingel as the third best forward isn’t really going to convince us that Ottawa is a fringe playoff team like you’re suggesting.
Being roasted daily is the essential part of this board. If people aren’t piling on to your misery, then there’s something wrong.You can't really fault the guy for not indicting the team as a basement team for next year before the season has already been played. Stranger things have happened. This is where the annoyance is coming from on the behalf of the Sens fanbase towards Avalanche fans. We are roasted day in, day out and it's tiring to hear about it, especially from the benefactor of the trade. Just take your 1st round asset and graciously go about your business. Bring it up again after this upcoming season is over. Will they be competitors? Obviously not, but COL finished basement, dead last, then made the playoffs the following year. EDM missed this year after being tipped to be Western Conference/Cup finalists. And yes we know COL improved in the offseason between the two, but let's not act like the NHL is predictable in any other way apart from Connor McDavid putting up 100pts and Brad Marchand spearing someone in the throat. It would be foolish to write them off before the season has already been played. Just let it go, the fixation is unnecessary, it's been rehashed ad nauseum since November.
I’m not saying a turnaround isn’t a possibility. I’m saying that his reasoning for predicting a turnaround (the same guys are all returning) isn’t a justifiable reason why.You can't really fault the guy for not indicting the team as a basement team for next year before the season has already been played. Stranger things have happened. This is where the annoyance is coming from on the behalf of the Sens fanbase towards Avalanche fans. We are roasted day in, day out and it's tiring to hear about it, especially from the benefactor of the trade. Just take your 1st round asset and graciously go about your business. Bring it up again after this upcoming season is over. Will they be competitors? Obviously not, but COL finished basement, dead last, then made the playoffs the following year. EDM missed this year after being tipped to be Western Conference/Cup finalists. And yes we know COL improved in the offseason between the two, but let's not act like the NHL is predictable in any other way apart from Connor McDavid putting up 100pts and Brad Marchand spearing someone in the throat. It would be foolish to write them off before the season has already been played. Just let it go, the fixation is unnecessary, it's been rehashed ad nauseum since November.