Yeah the Avs don't suck.likea said:comparing the Avs to the Cubs is just insane
Yeah the Avs don't suck.likea said:comparing the Avs to the Cubs is just insane
Hasbro said:Yeah the Avs don't suck.
That's kind of the thing Wrigley is a theme park as much as it is a baseball park. Tribune is selling baseball nostalgia.likea said:actually, thats the point...comparing Cubs fans to Avs fans is insane...Cubs fans sell out their building no matter what kinda product is taking the diamond...the Avs have not been bad yet so noone knows what will happen.
Still that ain't bad.also, the majority of those Canadian fans and fans across the sea will not be Avs fans once they start to lose and Forsberg and others retire
Do you have some data to back this up? In my travels outside North America it seems that I saw more Red Wing and Penguin gear by far with a decent number of Ranger sightings. But that's just me, of course.Hockee said:And since we're talking about "the world," it should be mentioned that the Avs are BY FAR the most popular team throughout Sweden (because of Forsberg), as well as the Czech Republic.
Most NHL teams are regional at best. There are a handful of teams that are national. I can't think of more than two teams with an international following. And Colorado is one.
When I was in Sweden I saw plenty of Avs gear. 2001 so I'm sure it was scewed a bit.Weary said:Do you have some data to back this up? In my travels outside North America it seems that I saw more Red Wing and Penguin gear by far with a decent number of Ranger sightings. But that's just me, of course.
Drury_Sakic said:You won't ever see the Avs tank under current managment/ownership... as they are the core of the new TV station for Kronke(sp)..
But, in another 1-3 seasons, you will see the team go through some rebuliding...
Any team with Alex Tanguay and Milan Hejduk is going to win games, at the very least contend each night...
Plus, Forsberg could have another 5-6 season with the franchise if he comes back from Europe.
They also have a coach that will win regular season with an OK team, as Coach Q. can turn the D up and play a LA Kings style of game...
The team will survive without Foote, Blake, and Sakic..
But it won't be the same..
They will kinda turn into the Atlanta Braves of hockey, in that they are rebuilding, but not folding as a club...
mooseOAK said:Hejduk is 29 now, unless he gets signed long term he could be a UFA soon.
Denver as a market pulled the best TV ratings for hockey in the last Olympic games (Olympic hockey rates about halfway down the page). But I'm still suspect as well. Denver has been twice tested. When they had an awful team, no one showed up. When they had a great team, people showed up in droves. Let's see what happens when they have a mediocre team. That tends to be the true test of support.demonic said:As a Canadian who has lived in Denver for the last 5 years, I am not so convinced. I'm surrounded by Avs fans, but very few people that I would really consider true hockey fans. Even after all this success, I don't think that Colorado has has developed the unconditional love for the game that you see in Canada and some northern States. There are almost no rinks, nobody plays, nobody watched the World Cup, nobody watched the WJC, nobody is even talking about hockey right now. I think the franchise will do OK, but it's day's as a real hockey power are numbered
Me neither. I have relatives that were born Cubs fans, lived long lives, and died Cubs fans without ever feeling the thrill of winning a championship.likea said:I'm not sure if Cubs fans are die hard, stupid or just ignorant....
All I am saying is that Hejduk will have the option to go other places, a player in that situation isn't one that you can plan to build around is it?Drury_Sakic said:AND?
Hejduk will cash in(no mater what the system is) with the Avs..
In another 2-3 years MAX.. the Avs will have roughly 20 million or more off their books when Foote, Sakic, and Blake are gone..
Money is not an issue long term, even under a cap, as they could arrange Hejduks contract to build after the big 3 are done..
When have the Avs lost on an UFA of theirs that they wanted to keep?
I did some stat hunting off the registered players thread. We're 12th in registered players by state, 14th per capita, and 15th 0n rinks (the list of rinks I was going off of was woefully incomplete). States in our camp (Wyoming, Montana and Idaho) ranked high in these categories.demonic said:As a Canadian who has lived in Denver for the last 5 years, I am not so convinced. I'm surrounded by Avs fans, but very few people that I would really consider true hockey fans. Even after all this success, I don't think that Colorado has has developed the unconditional love for the game that you see in Canada and some northern States. There are almost no rinks, nobody plays, nobody watched the World Cup, nobody watched the WJC, nobody is even talking about hockey right now. I think the franchise will do OK, but it's day's as a real hockey power are numbered
demonic said:There are almost no rinks, nobody plays, nobody watched the World Cup, nobody watched the WJC, nobody is even talking about hockey right now.
mooseOAK said:All I am saying is that Hejduk will have the option to go other places, a player in that situation isn't one that you can plan to build around is it?
ColoradoHockeyFan said:My God. Could there be a bigger misrepresentation of the market than this? Can you offer some actual data that illustrates how Denver was so relatively atrocious in World Cup or WJC ratings. I mean, I had no idea that the rest of the US was in an absolute frenzy over the WJC, with cities all over the nation buzzing about the tournament and sports talk radio lines jammed with callers. Please enlighten us. And similarly for the incredible hockey buzz that envelops the US right now... it's a shame that the current lockout has only affected Denver... and too bad for you and the rest of us living here that we're not in one of the rest of the US markets where hockey talk is dominating life.
Almost no rinks, nobody plays... do you have an agenda, or are you just really, really unobservant?
By the way, there will be a deal done tomorrow. See, I can make stuff up too!
according to SI's 50th anniversary poll the Avs are the favorite team in colorado (duh), Wyoming (our local counterpart to Canada), Nebraska (still trails cow tipping though), Utah, New Mexico (hold on, there's a NEW Mexico?) , Idaho, Montana and runs second in Kansas. The Avs also have a radio affiliate in South Dakota. That's 13.6 million people total and about 9 million outside of Colorado.
I'm concerned lack of easy cable access will erode some of the team's fanbase. In ESPN's Sportsnation poll the Avs were the second most popular team in the states. THN's poll this year had us 3rd.
My point is just that "demonic" eitherDrury_Sakic said:I agree,
I fell alseep watching the WJC? And I am about as die hard as it gets..
Whats your point?
:lol
ColoradoHockeyFan said:My point is just that "demonic" either
1) has an agenda
or
2) is horribly unobservant
A few points.demonic said:As a Canadian who has lived in Denver for the last 5 years, I am not so convinced. I'm surrounded by Avs fans, but very few people that I would really consider true hockey fans. Even after all this success, I don't think that Colorado has has developed the unconditional love for the game that you see in Canada and some northern States. There are almost no rinks, nobody plays, nobody watched the World Cup, nobody watched the WJC, nobody is even talking about hockey right now. I think the franchise will do OK, but it's day's as a real hockey power are numbered
Agree with the last point, but basically I think we'll just see what we'd see with any good hockey market... even in good markets, attendance/enthusiasm is obviously going to be impacted by decreased success. It's true in any US market (and most Canadian markets as well).Weary said:Denver as a market pulled the best TV ratings for hockey in the last Olympic games (Olympic hockey rates about halfway down the page). But I'm still suspect as well. Denver has been twice tested. When they had an awful team, no one showed up. When they had a great team, people showed up in droves. Let's see what happens when they have a mediocre team. That tends to be the true test of support.
Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with you. I wasn't sure whose point you were asking about. I did generally sense your agreement, and like you, I was essentially directing my comments at the other guy too.Drury_Sakic said:Err.. I was agreeing with you,
and asking the other guy what his point was..