Proposal: Colorado and New Jersey (Devils' fan's perspective)

[JoemAvs]

Yeah I agree with all of this, I think Timmins looks awesome and I would love to have him in the lineup going forward, but Zadorov's value in the Playoffs is huge and we already have good young blueliners in Makar, Girard and Byram. I think that means Timmins is the guy who goes.

My prediction is Bowers, Timmins, Jost and a 1st. Which is a pretty damn good haul.

I also think there's a holdup in the deal somewhere... Otherwise it would be done by now. Maybe NJ demanding Byram... Avs saying Timmins.

Hold up is probably that this is way too much to give up for less than a year of Hall, that he has no intention of participating in any sort of sign and trade scenario which makes it impossible for Shero to get the return he wants right now and probably rules out the Avs in the first place given that they should not be in the business of paying a huge price for pure rentals, that the Avs can't really afford the 10M+x6-8 year extension Hall wants even if he would be willing to sign given that many of our young studs are due for a new contract fairly soon and that Sakic probably loves Timmins and especially Jost way more than you do...

Also Zads is a dead Av walking unfortunately due to the expansion draft comin up soon and Byram being on his way (similar IMO how Barrie was with Makar in the system). If Sakic makes a play for Hall, odds are high Zads will be involved unfortunately...

 

[Danvalanche]

I don’t see sakic giving up much for hall. The balls in every other teams hands other than NJ. Hall is going to leave and every team knows it so why rush. Colorado doesn’t need Hall immediately or at all really (once the injuries stop) Guy hasn't really meshed well anywhere he goes and is gonna ask for a huge raise. Not ideal when you got a couple big signings in the near future already as well.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Yeah I agree with all of this, I think Timmins looks awesome and I would love to have him in the lineup going forward, but Zadorov's value in the Playoffs is huge and we already have good young blueliners in Makar, Girard and Byram. I think that means Timmins is the guy who goes.

My prediction is Bowers, Timmins, Jost and a 1st. Which is a pretty damn good haul.

I also think there's a holdup in the deal somewhere... Otherwise it would be done by now. Maybe NJ demanding Byram... Avs saying Timmins.

I agree that Zadorov is more proven, but he's only got the 1 RFA year left and might price himself out of Colorado on a longer term deal. Trading Timmins because we have Zadorov this season is a risky move for the long term.

I also don't know why the Avs need Hall badly enough to give up that many assets for a guy who is a UFA at the end of the season. Even with the injuries, we're the 2nd highest scoring team in the Western Conference, and don't have the same desperate need for secondary scoring that we had in the recent past.

I also don't understand why anything would be done by now. It's only mid-November. If Hall is moved, I'd expect it to be closer to the TDL, when teams have a better idea of where they stand and NJ can maximize their return.

 

[Boondock]

No he won't be, he'll sign with the team he's traded to.

There is zero to indicate this is the case. Can't use that argument to gauge value thats for sure

 

[thefutures]

AVS are set for stars right now. Once their own are signed they might make a big move but i dont expect any huge moves for a while with them. Sakic is only spending on role players. Id imagine alot more of the league adopts this style as everyone else contending is up by the cap limit.

 

[Hasbro]

I never saw a draft list that didn't have Patrick or Hischier 1st. Neither forward was considered to be an elite talent, so obviously Makar, Heiskanen, and Petterson weren't either.

Wonder what would have happened if Makar were one inch taller.

 

[Smitty426]

There is zero to indicate this is the case. Can't use that argument to gauge value thats for sure

And zero to indicate that it is not.

 

[SETHROLLINS]

I don’t see sakic giving up much for hall. The balls in every other teams hands other than NJ. Hall is going to leave and every team knows it so why rush. Colorado doesn’t need Hall immediately or at all really (once the injuries stop) Guy hasn't really meshed well anywhere he goes and is gonna ask for a huge raise. Not ideal when you got a couple big signings in the near future already as well.

Plenty of reasons to make a trade sooner rather later. Less competition since not as many teams have probably checked in, rival doesn't have a chance to bid and Hall gets acclimated to X team which only helps come April.

 

[Ararana]

AVS are set for stars right now. Once their own are signed they might make a big move but i dont expect any huge moves for a while with them. Sakic is only spending on role players. Id imagine alot more of the league adopts this style as everyone else contending is up by the cap limit.

Sakic must have offered Panarin huge money by mistake then.

 

[El Travo]

The only way that New Jersey were to get Makar or Byram is if they drafted them. Whoever thinks otherwise needs to put down the pipe.

 

[Eggtimer]

The only way that New Jersey were to get Makar or Byram is if they drafted them. Whoever thinks otherwise needs to put down the pipe.

As a Devils fan I agree. Top pairing , stud D who are still cost controlled don’t get traded for an upcoming UFA .Even if it is a sign and trade/ extended Hall.
Only way is for a huge overpayment of something ridiculous that would never happen like a Pastrnak Draisaitl etc coming back .

 

[Balthazar]

I remember one scout had Makar going 1st overall and our board was under the impression that he wrote his article on bath salts!

Jim Bennings had Makar at #1 IIRC. He ended up with Pettersson...not bad.

 

[Eggtimer]

There was some concern and rightfully so to take a player from Junior A 1st overall.
He was awesome no doubt but hard to gauge if playing vs weaker competition made him look better than he really was.
Answer to that is hell no .
It would take a lot of guts to go off the board at number 1 and not take one of Nico / Patrick . If that pick didn’t turn out , you’d be out of a job .
Of course in hindsight there is no doubt the draft order would change. Makar Heiskanen and Pettersson at 1

 

[bert]

Colorado doesn't really need any more firepower. Not sure why they'd want to do something like that.

Actually they absolutely do. But not at that price the OP has no clue.

 

[bert]

I think it's maybe Jost+Timmins+1st maybe Shane Bowers too

Why would the Devils get way mire for an insigned Hall than the sens did for a signed Stone?... Think about that.

A 1st plus Bowers would be similar value.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Why would the Devils get way mire for an insigned Hall than the sens did for a signed Stone?... Think about that.

A 1st plus Bowers would be similar value.

yeah, that isn't going to cut it.

 

[rmthomson21]

And zero to indicate that it is not.

Cue divine toaster circling the sun argument - you can't prove that it's not, so it's there.

 

[thefutures]

Sakic must have offered Panarin huge money by mistake then.

Sakic must have offered Panarin huge money by mistake then.

Im talking about trades smart man. Doubt sakic would move byram for expiring panarin.

 

[tucker3434]

There was some concern and rightfully so to take a player from Junior A 1st overall.
He was awesome no doubt but hard to gauge if playing vs weaker competition made him look better than he really was.
Answer to that is hell no .
It would take a lot of guts to go off the board at number 1 and not take one of Nico / Patrick . If that pick didn’t turn out , you’d be out of a job .
Of course in hindsight there is no doubt the draft order would change. Makar Heiskanen and Pettersson at 1

Definitely. Makar was a much riskier pick than Patrick or Hischier. Patrick was thought to be the NHL-ready player of the draft and Hischier was probably thought of as more talented but not quite as developed (a bit riskier). Everyone else had more to prove. 3-5 ended up proving it, but not really fair to judge with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[Devils Army]

When was the last time a player in AJHL was drafted 1st overall, no one could predict he'd be this good. He was playing below major junior and Colorado took a smart gamble, we know we're not getting him. Get off your high horse.

 

[Devils Army]

Im thinking Timmins, Jost, 1st, and conditional 2nd turned 1st if Hall resigns or Colorado wins the cup

 

[BKarchitect]

Im thinking Timmins, Jost, 1st, and conditional 2nd turned 1st if Hall resigns or Colorado wins the cup

You are using the wrong Duchene trade as your template. Think the Columbus one, not the original Ottawa one.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Did you see Makar's goal last night against the Jets? Now consider the Avs playing MacKinnon and Makar 20 minutes each game. Now you understand why it doesn't make sense for the Avs to trade away Makar.

Well I mean for Hischer and Hall that’s an offer you can’t refuse. Hall one the league MVP two years ago a trophy Makar will never win.

 

[JoemAvs]

Well I mean for Hischer and Hall that’s an offer you can’t refuse. Hall one the league MVP two years ago a trophy Makar will never win.

It is very easy to refuse. Makar is cheaper and exactly what the Avs need. They need him way more than they need Hischier + Hall who will account for 15M+ a year from now against the cap.

Very easy no.

 

[CraigsList]

Man, that OP offer is bad.

Expect a Mark Stone-like offer.