Player Discussion Colin White signed for 6 years x $4.75M

[Sweatred]

My point is that Norris could challenge White for the 2C at some future point since I see him as being slightly better offensively, so I agree with that point. Norris is not small ... check this site ... 6"2, 192 lbs & growing.

Josh Norris at eliteprospects.com

Yes - I completely agree.

He is a easy kid to cheer for. You can see why Brady and him are buddies. He always has a smile on his face, goofed around with kids/fans etc.

 

[Sweatred]

Simmer had a great take this morning with his assessment of White in the 8:00 am hour. He suggested the best thing would be for more him to go down to the AHL for the rest of the season (20+ game window left) to give him the best chance to compete vs Norris, Brown ,Chappy in 2020 for ice time and rolls. So far this year he has been handed all the opportunity and it just isn't working. More importantly, he isn't improving or developing. This is becoming a "Lazar" type situation and needs a different approach.

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[FormentonTheFuture]

that is not a great take. zero chance of that happening

 

[bert]

Just in the nick of time

Colin White is Going to Be Fine

Everyone needs to actually read this.

 

[BatherSeason]

Simmer had a great take this morning with his assessment of White in the 8:00 am hour. He suggested the best thing would be for more him to go down to the AHL for the rest of the season (20+ game window left) to give him the best chance to compete vs Norris, Brown ,Chappy in 2020 for ice time and rolls. So far this year he has been handed all the opportunity and it just isn't working. More importantly, he isn't improving or developing. This is becoming a "Lazar" type situation and needs a different approach.

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Simmer is full of terrible opinions, this is another one.

 

[Sweatred]

Everyone needs to actually read this.

That article is terrible. The only meaningful element that is accurate is that Colin White is 22 ... one year older than Brown, Chaplik etc. For that reason he should be treated like the rest of the kids and given the chance to develop.

1. There is no evidence that his injury is hurting him. His skating looks good. If he is injured he shouldn't be playing.
2. There is no evidence that he cannot handle the position change (he can't handle wing or C).
3. Colin White was not "a man among boys" in his single AHL game. He actually has never dominated play at the AHL level for any length of time.

It is flawed logic to think the AHL can be good for 21 year old Brown, Bath, Norris(20), Form, Chappy, Brann(20), Paul etc but not White. Even Pierre M recognised that he is in a dark place and the status quo just isn't working.

 

[Sweatred]

Simmer is full of terrible opinions, this is another one.

Right .... over playing him in the NHL has really worked out well so far ..... He looks so much better than what he did in Sept.

I think we are seeing the real Colin White. Simmer stated the obvious that he has never really dominated at any level and his limited success at the WJ etc have over rated him. He is on pace for 10 goals or so and if he was playing with MD/MS he probable gets his 14-15.

The Sens should be taking a developmental approach with him and give him the chance to improve his effectiveness over the length of the contract.

 

[Viletho]

Doesn't White a 1 way contract? If you send him down, you take the chance to lose him for nothing.

Don't know if a team would take a chance with his contract, but it need only one team who knows the player and what he did when he was younger and ready to take the chance.

I still don't know why he has almost never seen PK time while he was always seen as a very good PK player.

If he isn't developing offensively has he should for now, make him into a defensive specialist or something. I would take the Pageau route with him. Put him in defensive situation like they did with a younger Pageau.

Let the offensive player do their job and if he regain his offensove capability, good.

 

[Micklebot]

Doesn't White a 1 way contract? If you send him down, you take the chance to lose him for nothing.

Don't know if a team would take a chance with his contract, but it need only one team who knows the player and what he did when he was younger and ready to take the chance.

I still don't know why he has almost never seen PK time while he was always seen as a very good PK player.

If he isn't developing offensively has he should for now, make him into a defensive specialist or something. I would take the Pageau route with him. Put him in defensive situation like they did with a younger Pageau.

Let the offensive player do their job and if he regain his offensove capability, good.

One way only relates to his salary. Losing him for nothing relates to waiver eligibility to which he is still exempt for another 23 games, or the end of this season whichever comes first.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

If you look at Colin White's numbers they are eerily similar to Dylan Larkin's first two years in the league. Very nice rookie season followed by disappointing sophomore year, where expectations weighed heavily on both players. In White's case he is almost certainly playing with a nagging injury.

If he's put with decent line mates next year he'll rebound. I don't think he'll ever be the offensive player that Larkin is but he'll be better than he was in his rookie year.

And LOL at comparing Lazar to White. White's PPG in the NHL is twice that of Lazar despite Lazar having been drafted two years earlier.

 

[Sweatred]

If you look at Colin White's numbers they are eerily similar to Dylan Larkin's first two years in the league. Very nice rookie season followed by disappointing sophomore year, where expectations weighed heavily on both players. In White's case he is almost certainly playing with a nagging injury.

If he's put with decent line mates next year he'll rebound. I don't think he'll ever be the offensive player that Larkin is but he'll be better than he was in his rookie year.

And LOL at comparing Lazar to White. White's PPG in the NHL is twice that of Lazar despite Lazar having been drafted two years earlier.

"Lazar" is a reference for under developing a player buy pushing him into the NHL. White's development is absolutely "stalled" in a Lazar type scenario. Managment has chosen to overplay, continue to play White. Maybe it will work. They have chosen the AHL for Bath, Brown, Brann, Norris, Form, Chappy etc. I can't see what is different about White's game/development other than the contract.

 

[SensontheRush]

Lazar never demonstrated anything close to what White has shown.

Bad seasons happen, and this is probably best for his development. White is given both ice time and opportunity. He can only grow.

What about Josh Anderson in Columbus? How would you feel about trading White for a guy with only ONE goal this season? (Hint: I would trade White for Anderson in a heartbeat).

 

[SensontheRush]

"Lazar" is a reference for under developing a player buy pushing him into the NHL. White's development is absolutely "stalled" in a Lazar type scenario. Managment has chosen to overplay, continue to play White. Maybe it will work. They have chosen the AHL for Bath, Brown, Brann, Norris, Form, Chappy etc. I can't see what is different about White's game/development other than the contract.

Lazar never got top 6 minutes. He was consistently buried in the bottom with little minutes and poor linemates.

 

[Masked]

Lazar never got top 6 minutes. He was consistently buried in the bottom with little minutes and poor linemates.

He started in the NHL with Stone and Hoffman on his wings.

 

[DJB]

White has been such a dissapointment this year .

He's just there. Doesn't do a whole lot.

Reminds me of a younger Tierney

 

[Boud]

Lazar never got top 6 minutes. He was consistently buried in the bottom with little minutes and poor linemates.

False.

 

[Sweatred]

Lazar never demonstrated anything close to what White has shown.

Bad seasons happen, and this is probably best for his development. White is given both ice time and opportunity. He can only grow.

What about Josh Anderson in Columbus? How would you feel about trading White for a guy with only ONE goal this season? (Hint: I would trade White for Anderson in a heartbeat).

Yes I would trade White for Anderson too. White's only decent year in the league came last year when he played with elite players motivated for contracts. Taking away the 4-5G and 10pts of the MD/MS effect put him in the 10G/30PT range we are seeing this year. White has benefited from a lot of exaggeration of his ability (BU, WJ) combined with some free passes in Belleville. He did't play nearly as well as what the Senators are demanding from Brown, Bath, Norris, Brann, or even Jaros, Lajoi, Paul and Form. I'm glad they have raised their standards but there is still time to develop White. If forcing kids at the NHL level was the best every org would do it with every player.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Lazar never demonstrated anything close to what White has shown.

Bad seasons happen, and this is probably best for his development. White is given both ice time and opportunity. He can only grow.

What about Josh Anderson in Columbus? How would you feel about trading White for a guy with only ONE goal this season? (Hint: I would trade White for Anderson in a heartbeat).

Liked this post except for the Anderson part. Not so sure he wasn't a flash in the pan last year.

 

[Sweatred]

Liked this post except for the Anderson part. Not so sure he wasn't a flash in the pan last year.

Fair enough. It is definitely risky and I haven't looked at Anderson's contract. I like that idea that Anderson can fall back on his size beyond the fact that I am very pessimistic about our handling of White.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

I thought White looked pretty good last night. Especially with Tkachuk and Bath for the limited minutes they played together. He's far from a line driver, but he's still a middle-six forward right now and will be in the long term. People need to stop freaking out about his poor sophomore year, by the time we're ready to try to win, he'll be in the 3rd year of his deal, and still under 25. And we won't be close to the cap until 2023-2024.

Worst case, he'll still be moveable. But I think he'll be fine. 40-50 points and I'm happy.

 

[Cosmix]

I thought White looked pretty good last night. Especially with Tkachuk and Bath for the limited minutes they played together. He's far from a line driver, but he's still a middle-six forward right now and will be in the long term. People need to stop freaking out about his poor sophomore year, by the time we're ready to try to win, he'll be in the 3rd year of his deal, and still under 25. And we won't be close to the cap until 2023-2024.

Worst case, he'll still be moveable. But I think he'll be fine. 40-50 points and I'm happy.

White has shown little offensive skill and looks like a bottom 6 player to me so far. I hope he turns out to be more than that but I would not bet much on that happening.

 

[Masked]

White has shown little offensive skill and looks like a bottom 6 player to me so far. I hope he turns out to be more than that but I would not bet much on that happening.

Yeah, little offensive skill.....

 

[Sweatred]

I thought White looked pretty good last night. Especially with Tkachuk and Bath for the limited minutes they played together. He's far from a line driver, but he's still a middle-six forward right now and will be in the long term. People need to stop freaking out about his poor sophomore year, by the time we're ready to try to win, he'll be in the 3rd year of his deal, and still under 25. And we won't be close to the cap until 2023-2024.

Worst case, he'll still be moveable. But I think he'll be fine. 40-50 points and I'm happy.

I saw a few glimmers of hope but I also him him give the puck away multiple times a shift.

To be clear, his contract isn’t moveable unless he improves significantly. As things stand he is a boat anchor as the teams highest paid forwArd (AAV).

 

[Sweatred]

Yeah, little offensive skill.....

I really like how he sorta fake fumbled the puck through the dmans legs - we should have given him more $$$$

 

[stempniaksen]

I saw a few glimmers of hope but I also him him give the puck away multiple times a shift.

To be clear, his contract isn’t moveable unless he improves significantly. As things stand he is a boat anchor as the teams highest paid forwArd (AAV).

You have no idea if that's true. All it takes is one team to like the player and think he's been dealt a bad hand.

If there were teams who would have given him his contract last off-season (my stance is that there were) ~40 games of uneven play isn't enough to change their opinion on the player. It obviously would have affected his value, but "not moveable" just seems like such hyperbole.