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Whats going on with him... he had a realy good start... his team seems to be putting 5-6 goals minimum a game and he can’t seem to be putting points anymore...

Hillis and mcshane are also bellow their last years productions. Their still young but it’s kinda disappointing!
 

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Whats going on with him... he had a realy good start... his team seems to be putting 5-6 goals minimum a game and he can’t seem to be putting points anymore...

Hillis and mcshane are also bellow their last years productions. Their still young but it’s kinda disappointing!
Many Habs prospects playing in junior leagues are putting disappointing numbers so far. There was an article about this lately in LaPresse. Not sure what's up with that, but I'm also interested in reading people who have witnessed their play this season.
 

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Many Habs prospects playing in junior leagues are putting disappointing numbers so far. There was an article about this lately in LaPresse. Not sure what's up with that, but I'm also interested in reading people who have witnessed their play this season.

I can only comment on Hillis. So I watched his game on Sportsnet the other night. He should have had three points. He had 0. Two players missed wide open tap ins that he fed them, he had a couple chances on the door step where he missed a shot and also a rebound came out between his legs.

In overtime he scored. A beautiful goal. The net was dislodged the entire time and it wasn't blown dead so it didn't count. But that was a goal through and through.

On the PP he's playing the middle of the ice. Which doesn't utilize his strengths as a playmaker. So his PP production is gonna be very low all year long unless the formation changes.

He's also paying more attention to his D zone coverage.

In Hillis case I think the production is just some bad luck, with some bad coaching and some developmental focus on other areas.

I generally don't worry too much about prospects the first half season after being drafted. As long as they have strong second halfs, playoffs and a good year next year, that says more.
 

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Many Habs prospects playing in junior leagues are putting disappointing numbers so far. There was an article about this lately in LaPresse. Not sure what's up with that, but I'm also interested in reading people who have witnessed their play this season.

You mean the picks taken in the 3rd round or later?

Poehling, Brook, Fleury, Primeau, Kotkaniemi, Ylonen, Romanov, Olofsson, Harris, Stapley... are all have very good or decent years IMO.

Who's have disappointing numbers so far? Hillis, McShane, Ikonen?

I read that article and I laughed at the part where they said many players are having disappointing years. Expecting every single draft pick to show promise (especially 3rd round+ picks) is ridiculous.
 

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You mean the picks taken in the 3rd round or later?

Poehling, Brook, Fleury, Primeau, Kotkaniemi, Ylonen, Romanov, Olofsson, Harris, Stapley... are all have very good or decent years IMO.

Who's have disappointing numbers so far? Hillis, McShane, Ikonen?

I read that article and I laughed at the part where they said many players are having disappointing years. Expecting every single draft pick to show promise (especially 3rd round+ picks) is ridiculous.
Hillis, McShane, Fonstad, Houde all major disappointments for some so called 2nd round worthy picks.
 

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Hillis, McShane, Fonstad, Houde all major disappointments for some so called 2nd round worthy picks.

it'S hard though to judge only on production after 20 something games.
They might play better Defensively or more responsible in general.

But I didn't watch Mcshane or Hillis yet.
 

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Fonstad hasn't really been bad in games I've watched this season. The skill is obviously there. He is paying more attention to the defensive side of things, which was IMO, one of the things that contributed to him falling to the 5th as a PPG draft-eligible.

Prince Albert is a very deep team, and he's not getting prime PP/ES minutes as a result of Leason's breakout season, some solid play by overagers, the emergence of imports in Protas/Sapego (a D-man, but plays the same PP spot as Fonstad), Kelly has been very solid...

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him rack up a few multi-point games and be back near the top of team scoring.
 

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Hillis, McShane, Fonstad, Houde all major disappointments for some so called 2nd round worthy picks.

Well, they are not 2nd round picks and you have to expect some disappointments here and there. Kotkaniemi, Ylonen, Romanov, Olofsson make up for it. If we get 4 NHL players from last years draft, the focus should not be with the disappointments. It should be with who actually is showing promise. 4 NHL assets from any draft years is considered very good!

Regardless, it's early. I wouldn't say they are at Ikonen disappointment levels yet.
 

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Well, they are not 2nd round picks and you have to expect some disappointments here and there. Kotkaniemi, Ylonen, Romanov, Olofsson make up for it. If we get 4 NHL players from last years draft, the focus should not be with the disappointments. It should be with who actually is showing promise. 4 NHL assets from any draft years is considered very good!

Regardless, it's early. I wouldn't say they are at Ikonen disappointment levels yet.
Both ylonen and Olofsson are also struggling at Ikonen level. How can u write 'ikonen level' yet suggest ylonen is doing fine? Ikonen outproduced ylonen as a later round pick (58 vs 35)
And Romanov isnt exactly thriving. Harris slowed.down big time.
Imo disappointing returns for our non first round picks.
 
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Both ylonen and Olofsson are also struggling at Ikonen level. How can u write 'ikonen level' yet suggest ylonen is doing fine? Ikonen outproduced ylonen as a later round pick (58 vs 35)
And Romanov isnt exactly thriving. Harris slowed.down big time.
Imo disappointing returns for our non first round picks.
Romanov is playing as a regular in the second best league in the league, he's thriving as a 18 year old.

Olofsson is also doing really good.

You're stats watching hard here.
 

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Romanov is playing as a regular in the second best league in the league, he's thriving as a 18 year old.

Olofsson is also doing really good.

You're stats watching hard here.
I watched them play. Have you?
 

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Both ylonen and Olofsson are also struggling at Ikonen level. How can u write 'ikonen level' yet suggest ylonen is doing fine? Ikonen outproduced ylonen as a later round pick (58 vs 35)
And Romanov isnt exactly thriving. Harris slowed.down big time.
Imo disappointing returns for our non first round picks.

- Ikonen had 14 pts in 52 Liiga games last year (on loan from the SHL cause he was not good enough). He got hurt and hasn't played since.
- Olofsson is going to make team Sweden in an important center role. He has 6 pts in 16 games in the SHL.
- Ylonen has 6 pts in 21 Liiga games with 4 goals. I don't call this a disappointment.
- Romanov has made the KHL as a 18 year old. He is learning on the job just like Kotkaniemi is. It's impressive how Romanov made that team as a 18 year old IMO.
- Harris is playing NCAA as a 18 year old. Most don't get this change at that age. He's got talent.

It's early but we need to consider what leagues these kids are playing in. Ikonen tried to make the SHL team and failed. It's not a huge disappointment considering he was 18 last year. However, he did struggle in the Liiga league as well. He also was disappointing in the world juniors.

In truth it's early for all of these kids. Ikonen has been disappointing due to stalled development and getting hurt didn't help. The other 4 from the past draft are not disappointing... very far from it! All of them are playing in leagues much stronger than the CHL where the other later round picks have not improved from their previous seasons.
 
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- Ikonen had 14 pts in 52 Liiga games last year (on loan from the SHL cause he was not good enough). He got hurt and hasn't played since.
- Olofsson is going to make team Sweden in an important center role. He has 6 pts in 16 games in the SHL.
- Ylonen has 6 pts in 21 Liiga games with 4 goals. I don't call this a disappointment. At least he made the SHL team
- Romanov has made the KHL as a 18 year old. He is learning on the job just like Kotkaniemi is. It's impressive how Romanov made that team as a 18 year old IMO.
- Harris is playing NCAA as a 18 year old. Most don't get this change at that age. He's got talent.

It's early but we need to consider what leagues these kids are playing in. Ikonen tried to make the SHL team and failed. It's not a huge disappointment considering he was 18 last year. However, he did struggle in the Liiga league as well. He also was disappointing in the world juniors.

In truth it's early for all of these kids. Ikonen has been disappointing due to stalled development and getting hurt didn't help. The other 4 from the past draft are not disappointing... very far from it! All of them are playing in leagues much stronger than the CHL where the other later round picks have not improved from their previous seasons.
My point was don't call ikonen a disappointment when its too early to say esp after saying the newer prospects arent. Btw ylonen didnt crack the SHL roster. Hes in the liiga with a bad team.
 
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My point was don't call ikonen a disappointment when its too early to say esp after saying the newer prospects arent. Btw ylonen didnt crack the SHL roster. Hes in the liiga with a bad team.

Correct. Ylonen plays in the Liiga league and he as 4 goals after 21 games (I fixed it). Ikonen had 4 goals in 52 games. Ylonen is far from being a dissapointment.

As far as Ikonen. He is considered a disappointment but it's early yet. I still have some hope in him but his injury has seriously derailed his development.
 

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Correct. Ylonen plays in the Liiga league and he as 4 goals after 21 games (I fixed it). Ikonen had 4 goals in 52 games. Ylonen is far from being a dissapointment.

As far as Ikonen. He is considered a disappointment but it's early yet. I still have some hope in him but his injury has seriously derailed his development.
Ikonen looked great in the international scene vs players his age, actually both of them so far. I'm not worried about either fin just yet
 
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Ikonen looked great in the international scene vs players his age, actually both of them so far. I'm not worried about either fin just yet

At this stage, I have more faith in Ylonen vs Ikonen. But I have not given up on Ikonen. It just sucks he has a injury that derailed his development. Not even sure he even makes the Fins U20 team this year. Ylonen has great speed and goal scoring ability. I think we got something.

Regardless, the point here is focusing on disappointments with our 3rd round picks or later. It's almost like some think all prospects will pan out. It don't work like that. If you ask me at this stage, I'm more high on Kotkaniemi, Romanov, Ylonen, Olofsson vs the others. However, I won't be surprised is we get more disappointments/surprises. It's just way to early to predict.

Look at Stapley. He is off to a great NCAA start. 10 pts in 10 games with 3 goals.

The thing to consider is quantity and how this increases our probability of generating NHL assets.
 

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At this stage, I have more faith in Ylonen vs Ikonen. But I have not given up on Ikonen. It just sucks he has a injury that derailed his development. Not even sure he even makes the Fins U20 team this year. Ylonen has great speed and goal scoring ability. I think we got something.

Regardless, the point here is focusing on disappointments with our 3rd round picks or later. It's almost like some think all prospects will pan out. It don't work like that. If you ask me at this stage, I'm more high on Kotkaniemi, Romanov, Ylonen, Olofsson vs the others. However, I won't be surprised is we get more disappointments/surprises. It's just way to early to predict.

Look at Stapley. He is off to a great NCAA start. 10 pts in 10 games with 3 goals.

The thing to consider is quantity and how this increases our probability of generating NHL assets.
Stapely should play at the u20s! Let's lobby for canada to pick him up.
 
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Stapely should play at the u20s! Let's lobby for canada to pick him up.

To be honest, I don't know much about him. All I know is what I can see with his production. It's impressive to see him doing this so far and he was a 7th round pick! Team Canada worthy? How does our center depth look like? Or do you consider playing him RW?

Very curious to see how may of our prospects make the U20's! Devils had 7 prospects in the 17/18 tournament from what I recall. Would be a great story if the Habs can have 7 or more!

Possible players: Kotkaniemi, Poehling, Suzuki, Primeau, Brook, Olofsson, Ylonen, Romanov, Ikonen?, Stapley? I think 6 or 7 is a realistic expectation.
 

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To be honest, I don't know much about him. All I know is what I can see with his production. It's impressive to see him doing this so far and he was a 7th round pick! Team Canada worthy? How does our center depth look like? Or do you consider playing him RW?

Very curious to see how may of our prospects make the U20's! Devils had 7 prospects in the 17/18 tournament from what I recall. Would be a great story if the Habs can have 7 or more!

Possible players: Kotkaniemi, Poehling, Suzuki, Primeau, Brook, Olofsson, Ylonen, Romanov, Ikonen?, Stapley? I think 6 or 7 is a realistic expectation.
Stapely is more of a Gaudreau lite type of player. Slick with the puck and really smart offensively with very good underrated skills. Not as fast, nor as skilled, or good but hes got amazing potential relative to a 7th rounder.

I think he should be considered for the U20s since he would be a player from a different league. It would be a dumb idea to take only junior players to an international scene. College players are much smarter than the offense only minded players of junior save for players like Hayton.

As for potential players at the U20s for us would be
Locks:
Suzuki
Brook
Olofsson
Ylonen
Poehling
Primeau

Should be locks:
Romanov (you just never know with them russians)
Ikonen*

Unlikely:
Stapely (not enough exposure/respect)
Kotkaniemi (too good)

Also, they arent just any prospect. They will all be playing integral role for their teams, as in top pairing d or top 6 forward and even as the #1Cs. Idk about the devils that year but the number of players in high roles is alot more impressive than the pure amount of players.


*he'll be healthy just in time and was one of their best players last year, I suggest watching his game vs Russia. No points but was dominant. I could send you the link if you want.
 

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*he'll be healthy just in time and was one of their best players last year, I suggest watching his game vs Russia. No points but was dominant. I could send you the link if you want.

I remember being disapointed in Ikonen at the U20 in general, but I haven't watched the Russia game (I give you that). That being said, it was to be expected since he was an underager. I was hoping he could have developped into an Aho (I know it's too much to ask, but he was also a 2nd rounder) since I remember how good he was at the U18, centering the first line with Vesalainen as a winger. Ylonen also had a really good U18 tournament on the 2nd line, that's the first time I noticed him. I was really happy when we selected him with our first pick in the 2nd. I expect Ylonen to produce more at the U20 than he is doing now in Liiga.
 
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I remember being disapointed in Ikonen at the U20 in general, but I haven't watched the Russia game (I give you that). That being said, it was to be expected since he was an underager. I was hoping he could have developped into an Aho (I know it's too much to ask, but he was also a 2nd rounder) since I remember how good he was at the U18, centering the first line with Vesalainen as a winger. Ylonen also had a really good U18 tournament on the 2nd line, that's the first time I noticed him. I was really happy when we selected him with our first pick in the 2nd. I expect Ylonen to produce more at the U20 than he is doing now in Liiga.
I was also pleased with the selection.
 
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