Cody Hodgson the top pick in Vancouver Canucks' 2008 draft class

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  1. Jyrki

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    He's scoring a lot of greasy points, that's how players go from okay to great. Can't rely on beautiful feeds and clappers alone
     
  2. y2kcanucks

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    Funny stat: he has more points than anyone on our roster so far. Sure could use his offense. Ah well. At least we didn't draft Kyle Beach.
     
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    We don't have Vanek and his league-leading points.
     
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    I think we're doing okay without him.
     
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    vanuck But Gillis...!!!

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    Uh oh... I think I know what's coming next... ;)
     
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    Oh no! What have I started... :amazed:
     
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    i really hope Gillis canned the scouts who drafted that guy. worse pick ever.
     
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    Another funny stat: the Canucks' entire top 6 combined has only been on the ice for 2 more ES GA than Hodgson alone has been on for.
     
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    Do you think the Sabres goaltending and blueline might have something do with that? Or the players he plays with or against?

    Again, people need to be carefully when cherry-picking "advanced" stats. In many cases, you can use the numbers to make any argument you wish.

    If Hodgson has been on the ice for only two fewer goals against than the Canucks "entire top six", and given that he's -1, does that mean he's been on the ice for only three fewer goals for than the Canucks entire top-six combined?
     
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    I figured from his post that that was what he meant by it. He was just replying to a skewed stat with another skewed stat.
     
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    Hodgson looks worse defensively with Sabres than he did with the Canucks. I've watched most of their games. I saw him get 2 points and he was on for 3 goals for and ended the night a minus 1. He's a disaster in the defensive zone. He doesn't move his feet and he's slow to begin with.
     
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    I wouldn't say Hodgson is slow, he's pretty average right now and he moves his feet more than he used to instead of standing around. Unfortunately he only does it in one zone. When he's in the defensive zone he still stands around, watches the puck and hopes to get sprung on a breakaway/2-on-1. Somebody will need to bash it into his head that there's more than one zone in hockey.

    It's a problem when Vanek is +6 and you're -1. Especially considering that as a centre he's the primary defensive presence on his line. But anyway, it was a stupid comparison by y2k that made no sense.
     
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    and if Kesler wasn't hurt he would be on the third line (probably not getting the same amount of points). This year he would of played with Raymond and Burrows/Kassian (so you know pretty comparable to Pominville and Vanek).

    If you get put with great players, you will rack up points, the fact that he's a -1 when Vanek is a +6 tells a lot more.
     
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    I don't know why anyone would be surprised how well Cody is doing. He was projected to be a very good player, right from the get go. The Buffalo fans are thrilled with that trade, as they got a player they really needed.

    Kassian is proving to be a great player as well, although it will take a little longer to develop his physical game. Van fans are also happy with this trade and got the player the Nucks needed.

    It seems that Van fans need to bash Cody because: a) They are upset that he wanted to be traded and feel rejected; or,
    b) They want Cody to look bad so that Kass will look better.

    At least now that Cody's game is picking up, some Van fans will quit going to the Buf board and post annoying comments.

    Move on Nuck fans...
     
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    Just like his points are largely a product of Vanek on a ridiculous hot streak where he's scoring at a 173 point pace.

    Though while his point output is pretty good at this point of the season (even though guys like Vrbata, Gagner, and Parenteau are doing the same) when taken at face value, his GA are unprecedentedly bad. In the last half decade no forward has been on the ice for more than 95 GA in an 82 game season; Hodgson is currently on pace to get there in the 48 game season. Obviously he won't continue at that pace, but if one is going to herald him being in the top 50 for pts/g in the first 10 games of the season then they should also keep in mind the other side of the game.

    Only if you assume the entire Canucks' top 6 has an even rating in the aggregate, but that's not the case.
     
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    glad to see him succeed.
     
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    Hodgson has been struggling defensively but has generated a fair amount of offense. Inversely, Schroeder has been strong defensively but has struggled to generate much offense. Not surprisingly, Hodgson's defensive game has been criticized ad nauseum while Schroeder's offensive woes are rarely noted. It would be nice if we could apply the same standard to both of these players.
     
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    Pominville, Vanek

    Raymond, Weise
     
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    Schroeder has 2 assists in his first 7 games (likely 3 after they do stat recount). Hodgson had 3 points in his first 11 games last season (having had another 20 games of experience already), playing 5 of those on the 2nd line and being sheltered for all 11. Can't forget the difference in scoring between the two teams.

    If there's no criticism it's because he's doing about as well as can be expected given his situation and the expectations.
     
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    Firstly, Schroeder is only about 4 months younger than Hodgson and Hodgson missed almost an entire year of development due to a severe back injury. So I am not sure if the correct comparison is Hodgson's performance last season. Perhaps there isn't a perfect comparison here....

    Secondly, I think many people were not impressed with Hodgson's early production last year. It wasn't until later in the season that people started to get excited about his offensive potential. If Hodgson didn't improve on his offensive numbers as the year progressed, I think people would have felt much differently about his offensive potential. Even at the very beginning though, Hodgson showed glimpses of his offensive potential. We haven't seen these glimpses from Schroeder yet.

    Ultimately though, I can't agree with your implication that Hodgson deserves more criticism for his defensive issues than Schroeder does for his offensive struggles. I think both should be approach similarly. As you astutely point out, 3 points for Schroeder in his first 11 games may not be too far off what our expectations for him should be. However, I would also contend that we shouldn't expect Hodgson to be good (or even average) defensively while anchoring Buffalo's first line (a line and team that has been struggling mightily defensively). Moreover, Hodgson was ill suited to be a shutdown third line centre on a Stanley Cup contending team at such a young age. Ironically, perhaps Schroeder probably would have been a more appropriate fit for that line last year and Hodgson would be a more appropriate fit on the Canucks this year.
     
  21. I personally feel that since he was clamoring for more ice time to the point that it became an issue with the GM & then when he finally gets the ice time he wants he can't keep up at all (which was probably the reason he wasn't getting more ice time) that we can comment on in as we want to. That we can be critical of him because he thought he knew better then our coaches/people in charge of player development.

    If you want the TOI so bad I expect you to be able to handle it. If he can't handle the defensive responsibility of a top 6 player then imo you can't handle top 6 minutes. Maybe he should have bided his time, learned to play in all 3 zones from some great defensive players & earned his ice time instead of it being handed to him.

    :dunno:
     
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    You mean a 12-game sample size in the USHL isn't enough to go off the board in the first round? Topsy-turvy world!
     
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    You can't say that unless you can show GA in 10 game intervals for all players going back some years.
     
  24. vanuck

    vanuck But Gillis...!!!

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    ^ Those expectations wouldn't have been placed upon him had he not gone and requested more ice time imo. If he's our 3rd line center here, expectations would be that he slowly learn the D game and how to win faceoffs under Kes and Manny with little pressure to perform. You want first line minutes? Then prepare to face tough competition. There is no excuse to fall back on now because you asked for it - this is what he and his camp wanted.

    Also, comparisons between other players are always 'asterisked' when there's a difference in draft year, even if they're only born a few months apart. It's just how it is. You need an arbitrary cutoff somewhere. Not to mention the (theoretical) one-year age difference in the competition they've been facing their whole careers up to this point.
     
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    It's a seven, not four month difference anyway. Closer to one year than zero.
     

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