azcanuck
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Yea get some muscle's from Mr. Muscle himself. Too bad Grabner doesnt use his strength a little more on the ice.He should move in with (or shadow) Grabner for a while this off season
Yea get some muscle's from Mr. Muscle himself. Too bad Grabner doesnt use his strength a little more on the ice.He should move in with (or shadow) Grabner for a while this off season
There's always the possibility that bulking up too much negates too much of his speed while skating. That's what happened to Peter Mueller after his first season I believe. Or at least some of his slumping was attributed to that. I don't know how true that really was, but I'm sure there's a proper balance to maintain that the training staff should be aware of. He's also 20, so it may be a matter of simply continuing to grow (not necessarily in height).
Sprinters go one direction until the competition is over. In general the laws of physics say its harder to stop and start the bigger you are unless all that mass went into the muscles that start and stop you.So Grabner would be even faster if he lost some muscle? I honestly don't think there is any truth to the "bulking up slows you down" rumor. In track, the sprinters are the most muscular. In cycling, the sprinters are also the most muscular.
I suppose if all the muscle went to your upper body and you had puny legs that might be true.
unless all that mass went into the muscles that start and stop you.
I honestly don't think there is any truth to the "bulking up slows you down" rumor.
I remember Doan getting too big also and deciding to shed some weight. Derek Morris said getting leaner helped prolong his effectiveness too. I feel like there was a bit of a trend of guys who decided to do less body building stuff and get leaner and quicker.Peter Mueller's very existence belies your assertion here.
I remember Doan getting too big also and deciding to shed some weight. Derek Morris said getting leaner helped prolong his effectiveness too. I feel like there was a bit of a trend of guys who decided to do less body building stuff and get leaner and quicker.
I definitely feel that quickness is very important in today's game. More important to some players than top end speed... if you're one of those guys who's just never going to blow the wheels off of another player with your top end speed, being quick to get into position can take care of that issue both offensively and defensively. Just being able to get to new spots on the ice a bit faster can make a world of difference.
That's the difference between speed and quickness. Speed is the guy who can straight line out skate other players in a foot race and get more breakaways/etc. Quickness is the guy who gets open a lot in the zone because the defender can't turn as fast as he can or explode to those spots to cover him.
I don't think Keller has a ton of top end speed, he's got more quickness to his game and when he's playing well he's quick. Or at least that's what I've seen this season with his game. Not saying he is slow, either... just that his strength isn't being fast as much as it is being agile/quick.
It's more where you bulk up that would make the difference. You can, after all, target muscle groups to particular areas you want to improve in a professionally designed program. For example, Grabner's abs are practically useless to improving his hockey skills (I believe--I've never played hockey).
There was an article in the athletic today about slot receivers in the NFL, and Julian Edelman apparently has great balance due to his insane core strength.Abs are important for everything. They stabilize everything. It’s like taking a swing in baseball where you don’t just swing with your arms, but propel up from the ground into your rotating hips, core, shoulders, and down your arms and finally into the wrists. I’m sure it’s even more pronounced maintaining one’s balance on ice.
I agree. Keller doesn't need bigger muscles. He needs a bigger set.to me, this season keller was = soft like dough, meek like kitten and afraid of puck. i’m not sure if he lost some confidence early on or what, but he didn’t seem very aggressive. he’s sometimes amazing with his puck handling, but that often lead to turnovers. sometimes less is more. i believe his performance this season was more mental than lacking in any physical department.
i did want him to be scratched several months ago just to send a message. not sure if they’re handling him with kid gloves or what.
maybe the early talk about “no sophomore slump” actually created a sophomore slump.
I honestly don't think there is any truth to the "bulking up slows you down" rumor.
Agreed. Keller doesn’t need to bulk up, it will slow him down. Core strength and core mobility is so important in many sports but especially hockey. Strengthen the core first and speed/quickness will pick up.Its not the muscle mass entirely but how you train and build muscle. There is fast twitch and slow twitch training you can do while building muscles which can bring different results to how quickly you can preform and action or how long you can endure an action. Depending on a lot of conditions, you need to mix your training in a way that allows your body to build and regenerate the muscle fibers required for those actions. I don't know enough about the training involved so I wont go into any potentially false details but the bottom line is Keller can gain mass without negatively impacting his speed. The larger issue with mobility and adding too much mass is the control in turning and flexibility.
For those unfamiliar, you use your shoulders to control turning. if you can't twist as far because your muscles are too large for your frame, you wont be able to make as sharp a turn. A great deal of the control in hockey actually comes from a low center of gravity and your core muscles. These muscles are a big deal for someone reliant on their ability to make tight maneuvers and maintain balance through checks. The only reasons to work out your legs for hockey (outside of added protection to important parts in the legs) is to increase your first few steps and maintain a strong base to control the weight in the upper body.
It's all about the weight. Added muscle gains an athlete strength but IMO rarely gains him speed. If Keller puts on 5-10 pounds of muscle weight, he will be that much stronger, but also that much slower.
He needs a much quicker release as well. Much quicker. He winds up like a pitcher out of the stretch.No. Look at 100 meter runners at the Olympics. Big, beefy muscular guys. Look at the thighs on the skaters at the Winter Olympics.
Keller needs a stronger core, more strength and more explosivity. He is not in college anymore.
Yes.Has the playoffs changed some of the negative opinions?