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Should be interesting to see who the next whipping boy is after MacArthur
Far from a whipping boy in my eyes. Just the odd man out.
Should be interesting to see who the next whipping boy is after MacArthur
Will Clarke garner a first at the deadline....he should..albeit a 15-25th kind of first the last 6 teams will be too good to want him
Hopefully one of surplus D Liles or Franson will be dealt into the rapid defenseman hungry pool to grab us a third 1st
This is what I mean again. Looking at the stat sheet is all well and good, but from what I have watched he doesnt fit in with our hard-nosed forechecking type of game.
what's with the Mac hate? jaysus.
i wouldn't be upset of they moved him but i'd be perfectly fine with him sticking around. solid player.
Your observations are sound, but then there's the reality of:
-His 'A'
-2 20+ goals seasons
-His 105 points in 2 seasons with the Leafs
He is an average NHL forward. He could be a piece of some kind of trade.
If MacArthur was truly worth a first, and Burke didn't pull the trigger, he's either lying or was dumb.
My point was
That the top 6 teams in NHL this season those picking last 6 spot sin draft dont need to add a Clarke
its the teams just making the playoffs whose roster is not great who would like a character like Clarke..
thus if we got a first for him it would be a 15th to 25th i would imagine..
I like your lineup except why not get some more scoring from the third line and go
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I've always wondered about that myself. If there was one thing Burke was astute it was his trades. I wonder what the conditions of the 1st rounder were that made him back off the deal? I can't see the Leafs getting anything near that for a pending UFA like Mac this year. I buy the argument I've been given he's a useful player but do we really want to re-sign him to another contract? Best to trade him at the deadline. I'm sure he would be a good additional piece for a strong playoff bound team and it probably would be in own his best interest to go as well to try add some more value to himself as a pending UFA.
MacArthur has a place as long as this team is in contention for the playoffs. Unless he is flipped in a deal for another NHL body or the offer is too good to refuse. If the team is out of the race, he is probably the easiest to move and he'd likely bring in a decent return.
Mac's positioning on the ice hasn't been as good as it's been the first couple years he was here, not physical at all either. It's too bad cuz the guy is tough. Hasn't he been in like 2 or 3 scraps and man handled his opponents?
MacArthur is a kind of player who thrives when there's no adversity. I feel like he's one of those compiler forwards who scores at a decent clip on a losing club but when that club tries to make itself more competitive, he struggles with increased defensive responsibility, compete level, pressure, etc. I think he's one of those Tyler Arnason level guys who a team like Chicago had to let go of in order to make room for more industrious young players to improve as a team.
We have Orr and brown for that type of stuff.
I've always wondered about that myself. If there was one thing Burke was astute it was his trades. I wonder what the conditions of the 1st rounder were that made him back off the deal? I can't see the Leafs getting anything near that for a pending UFA like Mac this year. I buy the argument I've been given he's a useful player but do we really want to re-sign him to another contract? Best to trade him at the deadline. I'm sure he would be a good additional piece for a strong playoff bound team and it probably would be in own his best interest to go as well to try add some more value to himself as a pending UFA.
being hurt doesnt help
and if he's not scoring and jvr frattin keep doing well
then adios
he's scored more than kessel has. should the leafs get rid of kessel because he hasnt contributed with a goal in 6 games?
a bit hasty to get rid of depth scoring forwards when there's no urgency to trade someone. no contract issue because of a cap squeeze (he makes less than tim connolly for god sakes) and is still only 27 years old with proven success on a 2nd line. clarke macarthur is far from an expendable player. this thread is ridiculous
Tim Connolly is not a good measuring stick for how reasonable a contract is. It's not so much that MacArthur is a bad player, it's just that he started out the year so poorly that he was really hurting whatever line he was on. And as for Kessel slumping...this season is only 48 games. How many slumps can you afford to wait out? Kessel's scoring is worth waiting for, nobody else on the team can really replace it. On the other hand, even McClement looked better than MacArthur had in his first game playing wing, and McClement is a hell of a lot better on the PK from what I've seen. Then you've got Frattin looking to prove he's an NHLer and succeeding so far. You've got JVR who hasn't blown anybody away but has everything MacArthur has plus a lot more size.
There's no such thing as a "reasonable contract" only "reasonable expectations", you don't determine the worth of a player on their contract when they are currently on your team, you determine it on capability and create expectations based on that perceived capability.
Mac has played 6 games, that's not an indicator of anything, if it was Kulemin should have been moved last year, kessel this year, but they weren't because this isn't the stock market and dealing talent can't be a knee jerk reaction like damien cox or dredger would lead people to believe
There's no such thing as a "reasonable contract" only "reasonable expectations", you don't determine the worth of a player on their contract when they are currently on your team, you determine it on capability and create expectations based on that perceived capability.
Mac has played 6 games, that's not an indicator of anything, if it was Kulemin should have been moved last year, kessel this year, but they weren't because this isn't the stock market and dealing talent can't be a knee jerk reaction like damien cox or dredger would lead people to believe