Richard88
John 3:16
- Jun 29, 2019
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What would it cost to acquire Chris Tierney from Ottawa?
Tierney has a $3.5m x 2 year contract.
Colorado have about $1.8m in capspace with a 20 man roster and full taxi squad.
Tierney's a good player, but I don't understand why the Avs need him or where he fits in the lineup.
Tierney is a "doesn't make a lot of mistakes" but "doesn't initiate a lot of play" kind of player.
His first game was a bit of a revelation in terms of his commitment to battling and involving himself in the play (on a very good line with cannonball Nick Paul), but the second was a more traditional outing for him.
He makes smart plays in clearing zones and short, effective passes, and he is positionally very sound.
But he's not a take charge kind of player and you really have to pay attention to notice the little things that he does. Sometimes you're left wanting for bigger things.
Reminds me a bit of Radek Bonk.
My issue is that the Avs already have Nuke-Compher-Donskoi and Jost-PEB-Calvert as their bottom 6, with Bowers/Kaut/LOC/etc ready for call up, so I struggle to see a good reason why we need to add Tierney or where he fits in the lineup.
The glaring hole at 3C where Compher is. Compher is a good winger but not good at all at C. Bowers looks like he has the potential to take that spot but we're not in the position where we can wait for players like Bowers to get to that level. So adding a player like Tierney or Jenner or some other 3C makes a lot of sense.Tierney's a good player, but I don't understand why the Avs need him or where he fits in the lineup.
The glaring hole at 3C where Compher is. Compher is a good winger but not good at all at C. Bowers looks like he has the potential to take that spot but we're not in the position where we can wait for players like Bowers to get to that level. So adding a player like Tierney or Jenner or some other 3C makes a lot of sense.
So, we get Tierney/Jenner/whoever to be our 3C, move Compher to wing, and then who gets pushed out of the lineup? And, how does someone like Bowers eventually get to that level if we keep putting more roadblocks in his path to getting NHL ice time?
Depends on who is playing the most effective hockey at the time. Could be Belly, Jost, or Dong honestly. And as much as the org will want him to succeed, doing whatever they can to win a cup is going to take the priority.So, we get Tierney/Jenner/whoever to be our 3C, move Compher to wing, and then who gets pushed out of the lineup? And, how does someone like Bowers eventually get to that level if we keep putting more roadblocks in his path to getting NHL ice time?
Tierney is a solid player, probably our only decent faceoff guy, and can play anywhere in the lineup, with anyone, and on both special teams. I think it would legitimately take a 1st for us to deal him right now, which is obviously too much. Makes much more sense for us to play out the next year and a quarter with him and either extend him or flip him for a 2nd then. He isn't going to lose value and we don't have anyone to replace him. I would only really trade him for a high pick, a similar C, or in a package for a better player. Rather get a bit less for him next year than a bit more for him this year.
Bowers would replace Bellemare in 2021/22, and then Jenner/Tierney become UFA's themselves in 2022, so there would be a clear progression path for Bowers, from 4C to 3C.So, we get Tierney/Jenner/whoever to be our 3C, move Compher to wing, and then who gets pushed out of the lineup? And, how does someone like Bowers eventually get to that level if we keep putting more roadblocks in his path to getting NHL ice time?
Something like Graves for Tierney+ could work. Avs are deep on D and Byram might make Graves expendable. Up front Compher would move to 4RW and bump Jost or Bellemare to 13F.Unless Ottawa is open to a Compher for Tierney swap, there's no room for Tierney here.
The glaring hole at 3C where Compher is. Compher is a good winger but not good at all at C. Bowers looks like he has the potential to take that spot but we're not in the position where we can wait for players like Bowers to get to that level. So adding a player like Tierney or Jenner or some other 3C makes a lot of sense.
I agree, and was pushing the idea of us acquiring Stepan for a long time as a replacement for Tierney, but I think they may still re-sign Stepan and then re-evaluate after expansion. Worse comes to worse, there will be teams with new holes from expansion that are looking for a good middle of the lineup C on a reasonable price tag.The acquisition of Stepan was interesting because I felt that both guys were in similar situations.
In a way, I'm thinking they're competing with each other in terms of figuring in the medium-to-long-term timeframe.
Tierney's a bit younger, but I suspect he's reached his full development potential in most respects.
Something like Graves for Tierney+ could work. Avs are deep on D and Byram might make Graves expendable. Up front Compher would move to 4RW and bump Jost or Bellemare to 13F.
The issue with playing in an easier division (on paper) is that our 3C weakness won't be exposed much before the playoffs, except for in games against St. Louis. Vegas might be tricky too, but their C depth isn't great so we could get away with it perhaps. In the playoffs though you don't want to be running against teams with strong C depth with a weak 3C situation.I personally would rather have Graves as the #6/7 defenseman than have Tierney as our #3C, mainly because Ian Cole looks even worse this season and there's a good chance we'll have an injury or two come the playoffs. Plus Graves looks like he's still improving - i'm sure my answer will change in another two months
The issue with playing in an easier division (on paper) is that our 3C weakness won't be exposed much before the playoffs, except for in games against St. Louis. Vegas might be tricky too, but their C depth isn't great so we could get away with it perhaps. In the playoffs though you don't want to be running against teams with strong C depth with a weak 3C situation.