TSN: Chris Tanev looking for a 4-5 yr deal

[Fig]

Theyve never had a Dman like Hughes before so in years previous they were one of the worst teams exiting the zone and having possesion. So Dmen like Tanev and Edler were always under fire blocking shots or taking hits.

Surprise surprise, possesion monster Hughes gave Tanev his first healthy year.

That makes sense. I could see zone exits being helpful. Under Hartley, a huge chunk of the issue was that there wasn't much of a system other than "GRIT! CRASH THE NET!" defense... so our boys were thrown in front of a firing range and would regularly go to the infirmary as a result.

When we brought in Smith as goalie, there were a ton of interviews and articles that discussed how to reduce wear and tear on the dmen. Puck moving goalies and systems were discussed heavily by Flames fans in those years. From there on out, there often seemed like there was a focus on the health preservation of our players ranging from strategies, TOI distributions etc.

 

[notsocommonsense]

I'd be willing to bet on a guy like Hughes being able to elevate someone like Dillon or Demelo to play on Tanev's level. Tanev wasnt even on Tanev level until this year.

I dont think his contract will be crippling especially since the cap should go up in 3 years. I just dont know if he will be able to perform at this level in a couple of years. His body has a lot of miles on it and he will be no good to us on IR list.

Like I said, my plan is to offer him 3 yrs at 4.75 mil.. if he walks then he walks and you thank him for his service in Vancouver. He was a warrior.

Then you sign a low cost stay at home Dman or trade for one to partner with Hughes.

Just keep developing and building over the next two years and dont anchor yourself with bad contracts then go big game hunting in 2022 when the Canuck core is at their prime and abou 30 mil of cap space opens up and the likes Morgam Reily, Seth jones, Adam Fox, etc hit free agency.

We dont need to bend over backwards for Tanev in hopes of getting 2 more prime years from him when our window isnt opened yet.

Fair enough. Personally I’d rather take the gamble that Tanev remains healthy enough to fulfill his contract than spend money on another UFA which may turn out to be a much worse contract. Player who is a known quantity at below market price vs a player who will be expecting an overpay due to UFA status. I don’t mind Benning at all the past couple of years, I think he’s actually been quite good. But his UFA resume is atrocious.

 

[Boondock]

With Petry signing for 4 years, Tanev/agent will want the same.

Difference is games played - Petry has had one IR stint in 2016, Tanev has had one IR stint while I wrote this response. As a Canuck fan I love Tanev and I've said he should be our priority #1 this off-season. If he's only willing to sign for 4+ years - happy trails Chris you are a warrior, don't let the door hit you on th......damn another injury.

 

[JAK]

5 years x $5m. Full NMC should be able to sign Tanev to stay in Vancouver....

But what if we moved some numbers around...

8 years x $3.5m. Full NMC, front loaded.
Last three years down to $1m in real salary.

If Tanev can't play and is LITRetired, it won't affect his pay as insurance would cover.

Canucks get low cap hit.

Gary Bettman then takes away Canucks draft picks for 8 years.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

4 years $4.5M AAV would be the ideal contract for Tanev.

 

[Boondock]

If you sum up all the games he'll play over a period of 4 seasons... you might be lucky to get 2 seasons worth of games. Dude is fragile physically and mentally. AND before you shoot me... I just think some players play through injuries and some copout. It's a fact.

Please don't tell me that Alex Ovechkin hasn't had injuries along the way. He just plays through them like a savage.

Lots of absolutely baseless opinion in this post, claiming to be fact. Tanev has had broken bones and significant medically documented injuries, he isn't looking for a cop-out. Lack of knowledge is not a trait to be paraded around a public forum, someone is bound to figure that out.

 

[sting101]

Serious question... is this somehow more on the players or is there perhaps a problem with the systems you guys are using? Of former Flames alone, both Baertschi and Ferland are considered bad contracts, but honestly speaking, both guys have had their head bopped way too many damn times in Canucks silks.

From 2017-2018, the only dman who I see play 82 games is Michael Del Zotto. What is up with that? You guys complain Tanev is injury prone, but I'm looking at Edler's games played and it doesn't look too dissimilar, but I don't hear complaints about him. 2019-2020 is the first season it looks like you guys have a few guys play almost all the games with Hughes/Tanev/Stetcher and Myers playing 68/69 games.

When the Flames played with Hartley, we often had a ton of man games lost. Under Gulutzan and Peters, those man games lost dropped dramatically. I'm wondering if the injury issues relating to Tanev are also a factor of the style the Canucks are playing.

Certainly didn't help that we were an awful team and he was leaned on so heavily while the forwards were getting caved in. Also there was a couple instances where games were lost due to shutting down for a hapless season and no need to play banged up. He plays tough defensive minutes and is not that big. He is also willing to take a big hit to make a play. It adds up to a lot of punishment. Had he played the last 5yrs with Quinn Hughes on a good team i would imagine things would be different.

I don't know what it was but we were top3 for man games lost during a 4yr stretch. seemed like every player we counted on or acquired instantly became brittle and injured. Some bad luck, some due to having a soft team overall that wasn't very good and a terrible travel schedule.

I don't think he's necessarily injury prone by nature as he's pretty durable for what he takes in punishment. The issue is all of it adds up and last season you could see a noticeable decline in his play. To add to that he's essentially a defensive specialist that will continue to get pounded in his role and i just don't see how he holds up very well. I would love to be wrong but if i'm a betting man i would say that he likely will be a bad investment for 4 or 5 yrs and would invest elsewhere. I say this as a huge fan of his

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

As much as I want a Pietrangelo Rielly pair.

Tanev and Gudas would be good enough

 

[seanlinden]

I understand why Tanev wants 4-5 years... and will probably be willing to leave Vancouver to get it....

But realistically, anyone who gives him that kind of term is either a) going to regret it, or b) does so hoping that he just LTIRs away the last year or two. The guy is 30 years old, and has a lot of "hard miles" on him. Defencemen like him simply do not tend to age well.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Can't blame Tanev trying to cash in on UFA with a term contract since this is likely his last chance at a big payday.

Whether a team is desperate to give him that term is another question. Guess it will depend on how much (if any) AAV he's willing to give up for the extra years.

3 year max is what I'd be looking at.

 

[qqaz]

I know I'm just a rando on an internet forum, but FWIW I'd happily give Tanev 5 years. Heck, I'd go longer if the cap-hit is low enough.

On the Leafs, he'd be a dream. 5x5 no question. 6 years, if we can get that AAV closer to 4.

 

[vanarchy]

This is precisely who Toronto should be going for.

Hometown boy, too. Which seems to be some sort of strange prerequisite for their FA rumors lately.

 

[simon IC]

If the Blues fail with Pietrangelo, I could see them having an interest in Tanev. I wouldn't hate it.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Tanev cant even play 70 games in a season - dont think any team should give him 4-5 years

 

[TheDoldrums]

He's already in decline, but it's been masked by playing with Hughes. This has the potential to be an Alzner-esque signing.

 

[Cogburn]

3 would be ideal, but 4-5 would necessitate a super team friendly cap hit.

 

[Peter Griffin]

3 years @ $5-5.5M or 4/5 years @ $4-4.5M.

 

[hmc1987]

Nah, Tanev is actually a decent defenseman.

What a great low-key burn

 

[brock hughes007]

Tanev cant even play 70 games in a season - dont think any team should give him 4-5 years

he has a injury history yes, but when he plays he is a pretty good dman..

 

[sting101]

He's already in decline, but it's been masked by playing with Hughes. This has the potential to be an Alzner-esque signing.

Zero chance of that he's a vastly superior skater to Alzner.
He will make someone happy for awhile and its entirely possible he could even stay effective for 4 to 5 yrs. My only issue is he has had so many hard miles he may end up just too damaged to play most of the games effectively and when you need him the most.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

This is precisely who Toronto should be going for.

I've been asking for Tanev to Toronto for years. But the possibility of 5 years is scary for a guy who's incredibly injury prone. The problem with Tanev is that hes great because he'll sacrifice the body but, in doing so, he gets hurt. It's tough to commit to a player who's likely to miss 25% of the season, every season.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Dubas is ripe for the fleecing. Get it done!

 

[Leafmealone11]

Wasn't there a rumor that Hughes went to management and asked them to make sure he stays?

Some Vancouver fan mentioned that to me.

Lol,” awww isnt that cute” rubs his head and sends him out of the room so the grown ups can talk

 

[kcunac]

Tanev is the biggest proof of recency bias.

Vancouver fans couldnt pack this guys bag fast enough the last 2 trade deadlines because he was constantly and i mean constantly injured.

Now, after 1 healthy season and 1 healthy playoff run, we all of a sudden want to sign him to a long term contract.

Yes, there is some truth to this but when you see how important a guy like Tanev is in being successful in the playoffs it changes things. There's no doubt still risk, but it's a risk worth taking on a 4 year deal IMO. Tanev is a guy you can win with.

 

[platotld]

Just walk away... 4 x 3.5 max