Speculation: Chris Kreider (Mod Note Post #78)

[bernmeister]

Waiting until his contract is in its expiring year will likely not do us any favors for his value. Especially considering what wingers ended up going for this deadline, I would be content with a 1st for Kreider, but if there are a lot of suitors for him at the draft I would hope to get more.

reduced term does not add to value, concur
but
generic 1st for Kreider is not enuf

 

[bernmeister]

Toronto’s 1st in 2020 is likely a 20s pick and they want us to take a cap dump in Marleau lol

Leafs would have to throw in Johnsson or Kap

Not enuf and leafs moving Marleau is cap deal for space.
Staal at half, easy to buy out if nec
for Marleau full pop

works for both, gives Rangers some ease on LD logjam
Marleau helps, and he might be willing to go to cup contender if we are in suck mode, garnering return

Not sure who else has a better backscratch for Marleau and his 35+ $6m contract

 

[theFiGS]

Depending on what they spend on free agency and who they miss on will determine his future in N.Y.but I don't want him traded I think he should be the captain next year of he's given the extension but if he's dealt he won't be had for less than a 1st and a top wing prospect IMO

 

[FameFlame069]

Neal + 1st 20 + 2nd 21 + Kylington/Dube
For Kreider + Staal(not sure on his cap? But down to 3M?)

 

[bernmeister]

Neal + 1st 20 + 2nd 21 + Kylington/Dube
For Kreider + Staal(not sure on his cap? But down to 3M?)

thanks no
don't want neal and his contract
Kreider would fetch better
fyi, after this season Staal remains 5.7 x 2, but my understanding is now suddenly very cheap to buy out if nec

 

[Canovin]

Bear+Pulju+Lucic for Kreider

 

[Kupo]

Bear+Pulju+Lucic for Kreider

 

[Machinehead]

We're not taking cap dumps for Kreider.

If we want a bad contract, we'll sign Kreider to a bad contract.

 

[bernmeister]

We're not taking cap dumps for Kreider.

If we want a bad contract, we'll sign Kreider to a bad contract.

Exactly!
Where is anyone getting off thinking that Kreider, who commands better return at min, is going to fetch inferior assets?

 

[Shootertooter]

Bear+Pulju+Lucic for Kreider

Hell no

 

[ManofSteel55]

Bear+Pulju+Lucic for Kreider

That's awful. The Oilers would need to add value to Bear and Pulujarvi, not add a cap dump.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Kreider to Buffalo for:
- SJ 1st 2019
- Tage Thompson
- Vlad Sobotka
- Conditional 2nd 2021

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

As Kupo mentioned above, lots that the Rangers could work with here.

2020 1st + Marleau For Kreider

or just

2020 1st for Kreider @ 50%

Open to suggestions of course but these are just some ideas off the top of my head

And what is the incentive for the Rangers?

 

[Calad]

And what is the incentive for the Rangers?

Getting an unprotected 1st in 2020? I'm sure we could get them to add something small, but 1 year of a top 6 winger won't get much more than a 1st.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Getting an unprotected 1st in 2020? I'm sure we could get them to add something small, but 1 year of a top 6 winger won't get much more than a 1st.

I think they could definitely get more, especially if they are taking back a cap dump or are retaining

 

[Off Sides]

Kreider to Buffalo for:
- SJ 1st 2019
- Tage Thompson
- Vlad Sobotka
- Conditional 2nd 2021

What is the conditional pick based on?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

What is the conditional pick based on?

Him re-signing, maybe with a condition on playoff success worked in there.... like its a 2nd if they make the finals OR he re-signs but a 1st if they make the finals AND he re-signs

 

[Off Sides]

Him re-signing, maybe with a condition on playoff success worked in there.... like its a 2nd if they make the finals OR he re-signs but a 1st if they make the finals AND he re-signs

I think I'd need a little more, mostly I believe that is about the package the Rangers could get for him next deadline. Which in turn would be about what Buffalo could get for him next deadline if they ended up selling him.

If that 2021 2nd were guaranteed, and from there it could become a 1st if he extended or if Buffalo made say the 2nd round of the playoffs, I'd probably make that deal.

 

[nhlfan9191]

He didn't take a run at Anderson. Methot's stick clipped his skate when he was cutting in.

I didn't like the hit on Fleury though. I recall Letang being right behind him and Kreider slowed down and tried to bump him. Kreider was responsible for that hit 100%.

Kreider is a strong and fast forward who likes to drive the puck to the net. **** happens sometimes. The hit on Fleury is something I feel he could have avoided. The hits on Anderson and Price weren't.

Honestly, I still remember the topics around here when it happened like it was yesterday. You had Habs fans saying they were on the fence or it wasn’t dirty, and Rangers fans doing the exact same thing except some of them said it was dirty. I personally don’t think a large player going skate first from distance on questionable trips into two different goalies, and elbowing another in another round leaves much up for debate. I was mad at the time but it is what it is. Either way, I was never disgusted with Rangers fans after it happened. If Kreider didn’t do it intentionally, then I’m wrong. If he did, he did a pretty good job atleast making it controversial and he’s scum for doing it. Enough time has passed that people have made their minds up on what they think. There’s no point in debating it anymore.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I think I'd need a little more, mostly I believe that is about the package the Rangers could get for him next deadline. Which in turn would be about what Buffalo could get for him next deadline if they ended up selling him.

If that 2021 2nd were guaranteed, and from there it could become a 1st if he extended or if Buffalo made say the 2nd round of the playoffs, I'd probably make that deal.

I feel like that is probably a little high but thats just my projection, I could be wrong. I'm not a Sabres fan and maybe they would be happy to do that deal.

Maybe the conditional 2nd is instead a 3rd that turns into a 2nd if he is extended OR Buffalo makes it past the 2nd round or a 1st if they do both. Slight difference but just a bit more palatable. Again I have no horse in this race so maybe I am off!

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

I’m not Bern (but I did call Geico to save on my car & home insurance) however if you are judging Kreider value by looking at his points than your opinion is already dismissed.

CK provides all sorts of on ice impact that doesn’t necessarily show up in his point totals. I suggest watching him, it will really enhance your enjoyment of hockey much more than just looking at box scores and stat pages.

 

[bernmeister]

I’m not Bern (but I did call Geico to save on my car & home insurance) however if you are judging Kreider value by looking at his points than your opinion is already dismissed.

CK provides all sorts of on ice impact that doesn’t necessarily show up in his point totals. I suggest watching him, it will really enhance your enjoyment of hockey much more than just looking at box scores and stat pages.

I'm not BBB, and I didn't call a co with a sense of humor but has to pass that advertising bill onto its customers, but on that to each his own.

Yeah, there is a domination factor here.
Since when he first came up and had to adjust so he wouldn't have guys bouncing off him, and since their first encounter when Kreider went thru Chara like a knife through butter, we see someone who can set the tone, extensively.

Some complain that he doesn't do that every single second of every single shift. You don't' want a guy like Dave Winfield or Aaron Judge stupidly risking hamstring by overly pressing on a groundout, and you don't want Kreider or similar talent risking injury or burnout doing that. [This is besides if you go full tilt on every shift, the defense cheats on someone else and adjusts with double team, etc..]

I have pressed that if they are not trading him for godfather return, that Zib be bookend 1RW for CK, with Nieves, who is not a shooter but a great passer, with size, speed, reach, def. responsible, etc. to be an ideal complementary pivot, at least until Kravtsov gets here.

Kreider is not an elite player, but he is a superior player with elite speed, great size, and impact, who drives the play. That does not get peddled for chump change or chump change +.

And if you want to marry that to an elite talent [MacK, McD, etc.] you should have to pay a premium there as well, because once you do, that is a dominant line.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I have pressed that if they are not trading him for godfather return, that Zib be bookend 1RW for CK, with Nieves, who is not a shooter but a great passer, with size, speed, reach, def. responsible, etc. to be an ideal complementary pivot, at least until Kravtsov gets here. a 4th liner.

FIFY

 

[bernmeister]

FIFY

nope, dream on

 

[Shootertooter]

nope, dream on

But I mean he is a 4C. That is where DQ plays him. So um.........there is that.
Back to the thread though......