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  1. Brent Burns Beard

    Brent Burns Beard DontTouchMyDonskoi!

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    I just dont see how you can not label Ovechkin a choker. If thats not choking, what is ?

    He choked. Period. Hey, if its really not a choke job, then we say he failed.

    But come on, if we were having a beer right now, we would be talking about "Chokey Chokerson" and "The Choke Meister".

    lol, seriously, Ovechkin deserves everything he is getting, by the players and the fans. If you want to be a hot dog, then be prepared to wear some mustard too.

    Dont feel sorry for him though, he has bank. Better to have bank and be a choker than to have no bank.

    lol.

    DR
     
  2. Madevilz

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    Comon, give the guy a break, the whole canadian team was literally gangbanging him. Heck even Crosby hitted him :speechles

    If someone choked, Malkin did.
     
  3. Jason MacIsaac

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    The Russians were facing an allstar team, last I checked hockey was a team sport. Ovechkin is only one person on that team. He tried his hardest took a beating. I don't think he failed, it just wasn't in the books for him or Russia. Why isn't there threads about Malkin, Olesz or Tukonen failing. Why should Ovechkin have to carry Russia on his back for a full tournement. I think you are being unfair.
     
  4. Evgeny Oliker

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    you guys are just HILARIOUS! when kovalchuk was a teenager, he had exactly the same things happen. he was arrogant a lot. he "choked" a few times. now he is a mature player who doesnt fear any physical play. you guys need to give people a break and stop obessing so much :lol
     
  5. Vinceee

    Vinceee Go Foreurs Go!

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    and how about the russian goalies...
     
  6. Alex Kovalev

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    Well at least Malkin was on the ice playing a creating chances. Sure blame it on Malkin when Ovechkin is the selfish one with his equipment off because of a damn shoulder tweak. Give me a break. Ovechkin did NOTHING all game. At least Malkin was able to create a few scoring chances.

    Give me a break.
     
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    It's post like these, that drive me crazy.
     
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    No Russians choked. They simply were out of their league.
     
  9. Evgeny Oliker

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    i agree, just ignorant comments by rather ignorant people here
     
  10. Alex Kovalev

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    What post?

    I may be a Malkin fan, ill admit it. But I have to say out of all the forwards for Russia he was the one creating a majority of the chances. The goaltending sucked as well as the defense, as expected. But one thing is for sure, Ovechkin did absolutely nothing that game.
     
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    Wasn't Malkin named Russia's player of the game?
     
  12. Brent Burns Beard

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    then he should have left the hot dog act in the lockerroom.

    and

    well pardon me. dont we take ourselves a little too seriously.

    i happen to think its a valid point, consdering the show boating he did over a meaningless empty netter.

    he got a beat down and doesnt get any benefit of the doubt. why ? because we are fans and its our perogative.

    dr
     
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    Yeah... like guys above me said... Hockey is a team sport. Canada had a vastly superior team and that's all it is. It wasn't up to Ovechkin or Malkin to singlehandedly win the game for the Russians. Those 2 kids have nothing to be ashamed of. Actualy, the fact that the big canucks hit and hit and hit AO and targeted him prooves to me how big a part of their game plan he was. I give AO all the credit in the world for that. If the Russians had an 18 year old Wayne Gretzky playing for them today, they still wouldn't have won. And that wouldn't have made Gretzky a choker, just a member of an inferior team.
     
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    Nice post man, very well said.
     
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    I don't really think he got beat down buddy, I think Team Canada kept to there game plan by playing the body. And I give him credit...he took ever hit and dished out just as many, and after every hit...he was on his feet.
    Plus he tried to comeback and play with a hurt shoulder.

    As far as choking I think you should try to swallow this post, cuz it's pretty brutal man.
     
  16. Brent Burns Beard

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    well, im not calling the russian team chokers. im call AO who thought it was cool to taunt after an empty netter. he was targeted and he folded. he didnt deserve to win a gold medal for that act and he gets his just deserts.

    dr
     
  17. Brent Burns Beard

    Brent Burns Beard DontTouchMyDonskoi!

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    earth to UC.

    this is a hockey board. dont take yourself to seriously.

    dr
     
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    Of course, he's already got one gold medal on his mantlepiece. Typically the choker label is reserved for guys who have never won anything. One bad game does not make you a choker.
     
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    I would rather just give credit to the defense and the forwards for there aggressive backchecking all night as opposed to saying the Russians choked.

    Media types said the Canadians werent tested before this game. After watching how the Russians faired against us it would appear it was the Russians who looked so strong comeing into tonights game who actually had not been tested. IMO the Russians failled misserably. :joker:


    So which hit injured Ovechkin?? Phaneuf's, Crosby, Bergeron or someone elses?? The one Phaneuf planted on him at the blueline looked really stiff. Ovechkin didn't fall over but the guy isn't exactly small or easy to knock off his skates, plus the hit looked like a really stiff one. Then again so did Bergerons hit as well. Hopefully its nothing serious as this AO is gonna be one hell of a dandy when the NHL resumes.
     
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    Usually to me, the term "choker" should be reserved for someone who fails when he is absolutely expected to win (eg: Perdita Felicien at 04 Olympics) or when he has guaranteed a victory in some sense (eg: Carmello Anthony at 04 Olympics). In this case, Ovechkin meets neither criteria. He was effectively shutdown by a superior team, and thus it would be unfair to label him a choker. Russia, the entire team, could not enter the Canadian zone, not simply Ovechkin. His actions on Sunday night, right or wrong, probably arose because of the situation, as we had not seen anything from him to suggest otherwise.
     
  21. Brent Burns Beard

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    fair comment. but you are choker if you hotdog and dont finish off. if he had acted like 99% of other organized hockey players do after scoring an empty netter, then he wouldnt be called a choker.

    you taunt and gloat, you need to close. no close = choker.

    dr
     
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    Complete agreement. It just becomes a pissing match.
     
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    I agree with you, and the thread is both unfair and immature, but hey, what else is new?

    However, the Russians WERE an allstar team, too. It is not like Ovechkin was out there with the worst guys the Russians could send with him, and they thought that as a team they were a whole lot better than they looked tonight. From the net out, tonight at least, they were wrong, and yes, Ovechkin was part of that. Even before the injury, he looked lost in his game, running around trying to do too much. Too bad, really - I had hoped for better from him and the whole team.
     
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    Malkin was -3 on the game.

    Ovechkin was even.
     
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    Malkin was playing on the PK.....

    grrr.... I hate stupid posts like this. I don't even know why a threadstarter comes up with this stuff. Hockey is a TEAM GAME. People buy into TSN's "CROSBY VS. OVECHKIN" viewpoint I suppose. :banghead: :banghead:
     
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