Chicago Blackhawks Player From The 2010 Championship Team Is Accusing A Coach Of Sexual Assault

[Giovi]

How do you prove something DIDN'T happen?

Also, this guy is a convicted sex offender. So this accusation isn't exactly a reach....

Your takes are so strange sometimes.

I think we really have to let it play out in court. The Hawks may have viable proof it never happened. Otherwise why would they just not have settled before it became news?

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

So wait...

This piece of shit pulled this then went on to assault a child?

And nobody on the Hawks cared? Nor the PA?

Bowman should be fired

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

If the victim has one text message relating to this Bowman should be fired on the spot.

Foley should be fired for his horrible comment the other day, also.

It's time to clean house

 

[Pez68]

Why do people think the player has to be someone who stopped playing shortly after? I must have missed something in the article.

Probably because of this, from the article:

The player is represented by Chicago lawyer Susan Loggans, who said her client has had his life ruined by the episode and is seeking damages from the team in excess of $150,000.
“This entire man’s life has been destroyed,” she said. “I mean, he was not able to function within the NHL context and…this has really ruined…his professional career. These professional athletes have to function at the top of their game at all times in order to be competitive, and these things are really debilitating.”

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Reading this thread just shows how many people don't read or just skim articles. I do it myself sometimes, so not judging, but it's kind of eye opening.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Probably because of this, from the article:

Oh ok. I guess it's a good assumption to make, that his paying career didn't last much longer.

 

[Northernhawk]

Wow! I can't believe the suspicion going on to who it is...I understand that since the player is unnamed, people wonder, but does it matter if it was say a Dustin Byfuglien or a Colin Fraser? The purge of players and Aldrich after the Cup win was heavy...remember all the names Bufuglien, Eager, Sopel, Ladd, Versteeg, Fraser, Niemi, Nadden, Burish and yes Johnsson...but even just 10 yrs ago this is how companies dealt with things...behind closed doors, or not at all, my understanding of the article is that Dr. James Gary was the Blackhawks rep that the player brought the assault knowledge to...ball or should I say puck is in his court now...where is any did Dr. Gary with this info, was it reported?

 

[Pez68]

Wow! I can't believe the suspicion going on to who it is...I understand that since the player is unnamed, people wonder, but does it matter if it was say a Dustin Byfuglien or a Colin Fraser? The purge of players and Aldrich after the Cup win was heavy...remember all the names Bufuglien, Eager, Sopel, Ladd, Versteeg, Fraser, Niemi, Nadden, Burish and yes Johnsson...but even just 10 yrs ago this is how companies dealt with things...behind closed doors, or not at all, my understanding of the article is that Dr. James Gary was the Blackhawks rep that the player brought the assault knowledge to...ball or should I say puck is in his court now...where is any did Dr. Gary with this info, was it reported?

No. It doesn't matter. But curiosity is a thing.

 

[TKB]

No. It doesn't matter. But curiosity is a thing.

True. there is a particular player that it is very likely to be. there are some dots to connect but not going there until/if the names out- which I suspect it will be floating around shortly if not already behind the scenes.

I also wonder if there is any connection to the abrupt and mysterious firing of McD. I am sure the lawyers did a lot of investigating regarding the Peter’s fiasco. I found a small nugget that makes me think someone in the media may have had wind of this a while ago.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

1.It is not a sexual assault.

2.If the player was verbally threatened not to tell about watching this guy masturbate vo porn,maybe such "threats" violate some law....maybe "verbal assault" or some form of constructed blackmail (but how can a video coach have any power to end a player's career...unless he WOULD lie to the team brass that the player himself also engaged in inappropriate sexual behaviour)?


The ground for a case seem quite flimsy....tgerevis no legal harm done to the player for merely being offended by what he saw...but the verbal threat to silence the player if he reported it then would be quite murky as to actual harm to that pkayer's career...

I suppose the mere verbal threat to remain silent might have psychologically impaired tge player to concentrate on hockey and this "feelinh threatened" might have contributed to ending his career...but alk thisxseems like a flimsy excuse to extract money from somebody now.

Any company is responsible for harm done by its employees whike on the job or in work settings ....so this pkayer tryibgvto get money
from the Hawks

But it is not a "sexual assault" case..

To get money the plaintiff needs to prove the verbal threat made to him to remain silent caused his career to end somehow.

Coukd be a hard case to prove.

It seems like a money grab by a former player probably not in good financial shape now.

But this is a far farccry from some of the actual serial assaults by hockey coaches in junior hockey and what they did to their pkayers.


If the Hawks at the time knew of tge incident and did not fire that coach...that woukd be shameful...tgat video coach was gross and unprofessional to do what he did in front of a pkayer...Then to threaten tgevplayer to keep silent is again cause for firing.


But to claim such pkayer was so cowered by the verbal perceived blackmail that unaffected his play and career may be hard to prove.

Learn what the definition of sexual assault is.

Thanx

 

[Hakoon]

If the victim has one text message relating to this Bowman should be fired on the spot.

Foley should be fired for his horrible comment the other day, also.

I'm not a Foley fan but you're kidding, right? Too many quiche eaters here.

 

[Drumman44]

True

But an accusation does not mean it happened

The article itself cites Kane as an example of "Hawks have prior accusation" and we all know about that and how it ended up

Mon ami you are many things but a legal scholar is not one of them.

 

[Brightwing]

Just to be clear here, the question in this lawsuit isn't if the coach did it, it's whether the Blackhawks knew and ignored it. So when the team says the allegation is not true, it's that they knew about not that it ever occurred.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Pat Foley is a piece of garbage.

I, like many, grew up listening to the guy and at one time he was the best in the business. But that was a long, long time ago.

Now, he's a bumbling drunk with a live mic in front of him spouting off insensitives or racist comments and sounding like a complete fool in the process.

When they let him go the first time that was the time to move away from the guy. When that didn't work out they should have let him go after the first Cup win.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Pat Foley is a piece of garbage.

I, like many, grew up listening to the guy and at one time he was the best in the business. But that was a long, long time ago.

Now, he's a bumbling drunk with a live mic in front of him spouting off insensitives or racist comments and sounding like a complete fool in the process.

When they let him go the first time that was the time to move away from the guy. When that didn't work out they should have let him go after the first Cup win.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

WTF does Pat Foley have to do with anything?

 

[BK]

Pat Foley is a piece of garbage.

I, like many, grew up listening to the guy and at one time he was the best in the business. But that was a long, long time ago.

Now, he's a bumbling drunk with a live mic in front of him spouting off insensitives or racist comments and sounding like a complete fool in the process.

When they let him go the first time that was the time to move away from the guy. When that didn't work out they should have let him go after the first Cup win.

We don’t agree on that much but I can’t stand Foley. Gary Thorne for life.

I hope there is swift justice if this happened and then make a point.

 

[HockeySauce]

Just to be clear here, the question in this lawsuit isn't if the coach did it, it's whether the Blackhawks knew and ignored it. So when the team says the allegation is not true, it's that they knew about not that it ever occurred.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's not a matter of whether or not it happened. It's whether the team knew about the allegation and the steps they did (or didn't) take.

 

[Blackhawks]

Why do these things always come out like 30 years later after the supposed fact?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Why do these things always come out like 30 years later after the supposed fact?

Because telling people you were the victim of sexual assault is hard.

 

[Blackhawks]

Because telling people you were the victim of sexual assault is hard.

I understand but ten years later? And if someone did that infront of me I would be like wtf are you doing put that shit away or I am gonna beat the living crap out of you and tell people immediately, it’s not like these are some small weak humans forced to do something, it’s a strong hockey player.

 

[BK]

I understand but ten years later? And if someone did that infront of me I would be like wtf are you doing put that shit away or I am gonna beat the living crap out of you and tell people immediately, it’s not like these are some small weak humans forced to do something, it’s a strong hockey player.

It is not that simple and it sounds like you are blaming the victim.

I actually know Kelly Gee and he was a strong and good person but even the best people can be manipulated. This guy was serial sexual predator.

 

[Blackhawks]

It is not that simple and it sounds like you are blaming the victim.

I actually know Kelly Gee and he was a strong and good person but even the best people can be manipulated. This guy was serial sexual predator.

You know you are a real piece of, always trolling and accusing people of horrible things, I am simply trying to understand the situation and what I would do if I was 20 something years older and someone did that. Also there are accusations here nothing concrete, just like the Kane situation everyone blaming him but I knew he was innocent the whole time, the entire league still think he did something bad when nothing was proved.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I understand but ten years later? And if someone did that infront of me I would be like wtf are you doing put that shit away or I am gonna beat the living crap out of you and tell people immediately, it’s not like these are some small weak humans forced to do something, it’s a strong hockey player.

Being “a strong hockey player” makes it more difficult to come forward. Especially in a team centric organization first sport like hockey. Then you throw in the fact that it was allegedly reported and squashed by the team...

It’s why I think it was a fringe pro if true. I find it tough to see a guy well established getting the screws put to him by a video coach.

 

[Idionym]

I understand but ten years later? And if someone did that infront of me I would be like wtf are you doing put that shit away or I am gonna beat the living crap out of you and tell people immediately, it’s not like these are some small weak humans forced to do something, it’s a strong hockey player.

Many people never come forward. 10 years later is pretty quick.

Everyone says "well, if that happened to me I'd do x, y z." You don't really know/understand what you would do until it happens to you and you should have some empathy for those who have to go through these terrible experiences and have dudes on online messages boards say "well, if it was me I'd just be a STRONG MAN and beat him up!!"

It's kinda insulting, not gonna lie.