Confirmed with Link: Chiarelli Fired

[Ten Thousand Hours]

When Chiarelli gets his next GM job he needs to take Smith in a deal.

Smith and Kelly

For Kessel?

 

[njbruin*]

I completely agree.

All I'm saying is the narrative could be completely different today, with just the "do overs" of Seguin, Boychuk and acquisition of someone of Iggy's ilk. Three moves would make everyone completely forget all the other wrongs you list above, all the draft mistakes, etc......because we'd not only be in the playoffs, we'd have at least one round of home ice. Everyone would be pretty happy right now.

No they don't . Seguin or Iginla or Boychuk added to this team wasn't going change the way Claude coached and the way he's coached for his entire tenure here. He wants to win games 1-0 . If Boychuk was here guaranteed he was still #4 at best getting 2nd pair minutes behind Dougie, Chara, Seids. Even with Chara and Seids recovery Claude played them like true #1 and #2 Dmen 0 unfathomable. He had to limit their minutes and didn't . The big flaw in Claude's system is he needs a shutdown D , He just didn't have and won't have it w/o major moves - and no Boychuk would have helped but he's not changing that issue.

 

[LSCII]

I think that Chia did a good job during the first half of his tenure, but has been slipping since they won the Cup. He fell in love with that Cup-winning roster instead of continuing to adapt and build.

I think he did an okay job before the cup win, and then took that win as validation that he could do whatever he wanted and it would all work out fine. Even before the cup win though, there were some cracks showing. Hiring Dave Lewis, the Manny Fernandez move, the bochenski for Versteeg deal, the Thomas 35+ **** up, the Kessel move with no replacement basically ******** on the 2010 season in the process, picking Derek Morris over Seidenberg when both were UFA's, his draft record, etc.

While those weren't really offenses you get fired over, they showed enough questionable judgement to make me concerned about the job he was doing. Then they won the cup, and rather than work harder, I think he thought he was Midas, and that he could pull anything out of his ass and make it work. Victim of his own success. Read too many of his own press clippings. Whatever cliche you want to apply, you know?

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

...and a goalie who seemed to not be able to win critical games.

This is the rhetoric that I'm most tired of. It amazes me that a guy is "not able to win critical games," when his defensemen are a shell of prior years (No Boychuk, Miller hurt for 1/2 season, Hamilton hurt for a good period down the stretch - replaced by the likes of Bart and Trotman and such) and the team as a whole can't score with any consistency if they were in a room with a porn star.

B's lost 17 games when they gave up 2 or fewer regulation goals...and that doesn't include games where they gave up 2 and an empty netter.

Anyone can see that goaltending was the farthest thing from responsible for what went on this year.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

This is the rhetoric that I'm most tired of. It amazes me that a guy is "not able to win critical games," when his defensemen are a shell of prior years (No Boychuk, Miller hurt for 1/2 season, Hamilton hurt for a good period down the stretch - replaced by the likes of Bart and Trotman and such) and the team as a whole can't score with any consistency if they were in a room with a porn star.

B's lost 17 games when they gave up 2 or fewer regulation goals...and that doesn't include games where they gave up 2 and an empty netter.

Anyone can see that goaltending was the farthest thing from responsible for what went on this year.

The defense was terrible, but Rask played much worse this year than the last couple years and much worse than what he should with that contract. That's a fact.

 

[LSCII]

Dude, that was my biggest beef. Made me laugh when a puck moving defenseman talk came up. For what? That not how they play. It's why those type of defensemen never survive here. They cycle on D.

It was insane. You wait until the opposing team is set in their defensive zone before you even try to break out? Then, once they're ready, your only tactic for setting up the play is to dump and chase? Brilliant!! And people wondered why this team struggled to score???

 

[chizzler]

It was insane. You wait until the opposing team is set in their defensive zone before you even try to break out? Then, once they're ready, your only tactic for setting up the play is to dump and chase? Brilliant!! And people wondered why this team struggled to score???

If anything, I hope I don't see that anymore.

 

[njbruin*]

This is the rhetoric that I'm most tired of. It amazes me that a guy is "not able to win critical games," when his defensemen are a shell of prior years (No Boychuk, Miller hurt for 1/2 season, Hamilton hurt for a good period down the stretch - replaced by the likes of Bart and Trotman and such) and the team as a whole can't score with any consistency if they were in a room with a porn star.

B's lost 17 games when they gave up 2 or fewer regulation goals...and that doesn't include games where they gave up 2 and an empty netter.

Anyone can see that goaltending was the farthest thing from responsible for what went on this year.

I'm a huge Rask fan and feel he's low down on the list of issues, but I can't say I'm not concerned by some of the clunker goals he's given up but more importantly with his seemingly lack of fundamentals - namely dropping into the butterfly way too early and giving up the top half of the net.

 

[BruinDust]

It was insane. You wait until the opposing team is set in their defensive zone before you even try to break out? Then, once they're ready, your only tactic for setting up the play is to dump and chase? Brilliant!! And people wondered why this team struggled to score???

Even worse when you consider Boston forwards lost many more puck races than they won on those dump in attempts because they were simply too slow.

The likes of Campbell and Kelly can give it 110% effort all they want, if the wheels simply aren't there anymore to get to the dump-in before the other team's D-man does and makes a play with it, than what's the point.

 

[LSCII]

If anything, I hope I don't see that anymore.

I'm with you on that. Watching it drove me nuts. It's one of the main reasons I want Julien gone so badly. Even if he stays, I think he's got a very short leash and that Neely/New GM are going to be on him to adjust that offense killing system. That alone has me excited for next year.

 

[DKH]

For Kessel?

Good reply

Btw- hope u had a great birthday

 

[LSCII]

Even worse when you consider Boston forwards lost many more puck races than they won on those dump in attempts because they were simply too slow.

The likes of Campbell and Kelly can give it 110% effort all they want, if the wheels simply aren't there anymore to get to the dump-in before the other team's D-man does and makes a play with it, than what's the point.

Teams had scouted them and were ready for it every time. It's why faster teams with transition games gave the B's fits. It was so painfully obvious that I simply don't understand how it was not addressed. It's baffling to me.

 

[BostonPC]

This is the rhetoric that I'm most tired of. It amazes me that a guy is "not able to win critical games," when his defensemen are a shell of prior years (No Boychuk, Miller hurt for 1/2 season, Hamilton hurt for a good period down the stretch - replaced by the likes of Bart and Trotman and such) and the team as a whole can't score with any consistency if they were in a room with a porn star.

B's lost 17 games when they gave up 2 or fewer regulation goals...and that doesn't include games where they gave up 2 and an empty netter.

Anyone can see that goaltending was the farthest thing from responsible for what went on this year.

Goaltending is not a problem... except to find a reliable back up. Rask is a very good goalie and one I hope is here for a long time. Our young and injured defense let him down many times this year.

 

[BruinDust]

Teams had scouted them and were ready for it every time. It's why faster teams with transition games gave the B's fits. It was so painfully obvious that I simply don't understand how it was not addressed. It's baffling to me.

And if teams expect the dump-in their D-men can cheat and increase the chances of winning that dump-in puck race substantially.

Combine that with the Bruins forwards once they knew they lost the dump-in race retreating back into a 1-4 neutral zone fore-check pretty much guaranteeing their opponent a clean exit from there own zone with speed, it was a recipe for disaster especially against faster more skilled teams.

Like you said the lack of adjustments made by the coaching staff strategy was baffling. All we ever heard was "stick to the system" and "play our game" Heaven forbid an adjustment in strategy to compensate for the opponents game plan.

 

[Ice Nine]

Many feel signing Iginla last year was an attempt to go all in, he mortaged the cap for this year at an attempt to win a second cup. It almost paid dividends , now the bills are due.

I almost find this analogous to the Chara extension it very well may have helped us win a cup , but now we're in trouble because of it. So the big question with the Iginla deal is - if they won the cup last year would it have been worth it - and I feel a majority here would say yes including me. The fact that it didn't pay off probably cost Chia his job.

Definitely Iginla signing was a bit of a gamble, but not "all in". As has been argued on this Board many times, he failed to make any trade deadline moves to properly replace Seids. He didn't, and our defensive weaknesses were on display in playoffs.

 

[BostonPC]

And if teams expect the dump-in their D-men can cheat and increase the chances of winning that dump-in puck race substantially.

Combine that with the Bruins forwards once they knew they lost the dump-in race retreating back into a 1-4 neutral zone fore-check pretty much guaranteeing their opponent a clean exit from there own zone with speed, it was a recipe for disaster especially against faster more skilled teams.

Like you said the lack of adjustments made by the coaching staff strategy was baffling. All we ever heard was "stick to the system" and "play our game" Heaven forbid an adjustment in strategy to compensate for the opponents game plan.

Very true... this team is too predictable. I defend CJ a lot but he should have adjusted his system even a little to compensate for the talent level on the team. The dump and chase, especially on the PP is maddening.

 

[Ice Nine]

A lot of us, including myself, wanted to be sellers at the deadline... Not major, but guys like Soderberg.

I'm glad Neely told him not to go off. What happens if we give our 1st and a good prospect for Vermette, who's a healthy scratch in Chicago? What if we trade our 1st for Sekera, and it's not lottery protected? We were the runners-up on Vermette and I bet we came in 2nd because Neely told him not to give up two major future pieces for a player who won't even help us make the playoffs.

This.

It's funny to see media, once again, mouthpiecing a likely Chiarelli complaint that Neely "tied his hands".

Thank ****ing God that Neely tied his hands, or we would have given up likely a 1st round or more at the trade deadline for the massively overrated Vermette-- a healthy scratch for the Hawks in game 1-- and not only that, but Spooner would still be festering in the AHL, with reduced value.

 

[Ice Nine]

Speaking of which -- there were a lot of cheerleaders on here for the Bruins acquiring Vermette. Where are all the Vermette boosters now?

 

[Banded Peak]

Is there?

Add Seguin back to this team this past year. Put Thornton back instead of Caron. Put Boychuk back (meaning no Bart). Put a 30 goal scorer on top line wing.

Where are the Bruins today? Likely a top 2-3 seed at worst.

I think there's faulty logic in there and misses the same point as many in the media yesterday did.

Look at the Blackhawks and Kings. The Hawks turned over half their roster after their first cup and found cheaper replacements in younger players both from their own system and others. The kings are going to be doing this starting this offseason and they have young players at the ready in Manchester and at the major level. Players they fished put on the second and third rounds.

We on the other hand don't do things like that. We have done **** all over the last three years to get younger. Claude has a hand in this for sure but I think it's faulty logic not to lay a great portion of that at Chia's feet, the old fool me once fool me twice thing with a scouting staff that let you down two drafts in a row.

Pasta may be that eventually and Spooner and Koko maybe full time nhlers yet but outside the first round this team has not drafted an impact player that late since Marchand/Lucic. And Chiarelli wasn't even in place. In a salary cap word youth is the currency of the realm. No replacing a guy like Seguin but replacements for Thornton and Johnny Rocket should've been in place already, in preparation for their departure. He tried to force turnover after too many years of complacency, poor drafting and draft pick throw ins and quite frankly ran out of horseshoes.

My two cents The core is not old but the supplemental players are not young either and that isnt how it works yhese days. The defense is a shambles and the cupboards are bare.

I live in Calgary and all this is giving me Deja vu from when Darryl Sutter ran that team into the ground. But hey, three solid drafts (Burke can say whatever he wants about Feasters draft record, better than his own in TO) and they're back on the map.

Youth youth youth. And a lack of it is the main reason why Chiarelli needed to go. If his scouts were letting him down year after year he should've addressed it sooner than it was addressed. Just one man's opinion .

 

[TheBigBadB]

SCF less than 24 months ago.

Huh? Last season and this season are not SCF..Ousted by Habs, and DNQ..

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

Good reply

Btw- hope u had a great birthday

Hey, thanks.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

I thought the same thing. The gibberish from the Canadian media was the same line over and over.

"Never replaced Iginla, never replaced Boychuk, never replaced Thornton"

"Seguin trade was bad"

Rinse and repeat.

As if those were the only reasons the Bruins are in the shape they are now. There is much more to it than that.

Yet, there really isn't. If he had do-overs for all these things, he'd likely still be here and we'd be focusing on Game 1 tonight.

 

[Banded Peak]

Yet, there really isn't. If he had do-overs for all these things, he'd likely still be here and we'd be focusing on Game 1 tonight.

Hawks traded Big Buff, Ladd, Versteeg etc be case they priced themselves out of town. They replaced them with a dirt cheap guy like Oduya and their own guys like Shaw, Saad etc. Kings are going to lose Williams and Stoll this year and are down Mike Richards and even though they missed they have the guns in the system to replace them.

We bleed talent and will continue to because Chiarelli couldn't draft himself out of a wet paper bag and couldn't make a decent trade to save his life.

Who makes the team next year that can rotate in and out of the top four? Make the middle six? This team needs a retool and get back to basics before it's too late and the core is the group of gassed geriatrics who are a liability night in night out. I think it's pretty short sighted to say if this guy were here and that guy were here. Playoffs this year would've been nice but don't we want a future to be proud of without having to burn the team to the ground and start with nothing?

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

Hawks traded Big Buff, Ladd, Versteeg etc be case they priced themselves out of town. They replaced them with a dirt cheap guy like Oduya and their own guys like Shaw, Saad etc. Kings are going to lose Williams and Stoll this year and are down Mike Richards and even though they missed they have the guns in the system to replace them.

We bleed talent and will continue to because Chiarelli couldn't draft himself out of a wet paper bag and couldn't make a decent trade to save his life.

Who makes the team next year that can rotate in and out of the top four? Make the middle six? This team needs a retool and get back to basics before it's too late and the core is the group of gassed geriatrics who are a liability night in night out. I think it's pretty short sighted to say if this guy were here and that guy were here. Playoffs this year would've been nice but don't we want a future to be proud of without having to burn the team to the ground and start with nothing?

If you read my posts, you'll find I'm in complete agreement with you. Chia needed to go. Not because he failed to pick up players at the deadline, but because of all the other things he did to damage the team.

 

[BruinDust]

Yet, there really isn't. If he had do-overs for all these things, he'd likely still be here and we'd be focusing on Game 1 tonight.

Yes but to keep all of these pieces or replace them, other moves would of had to occur to make that possible.

You could reverse the Seguin trade straight up. You get Seguin at 5.75 instead of Eriksson and Smith at 5.65 million combined last season (include the $$$ paid to Fraser and Morrow when they were on the roster it's a wash). So the savings are minimal but still better off with Seguin.

If you keep Thornton, say even at his previous salary of 1.1 mil, now one of Paille or Campbell have to go to make cap space, possibly via compliance buy-out. I'd would of kept Thornton over either of these two. Let's assume Campbell was the one to go.

Now try to make space for Boychuks 3.3 million AND Iginla's 5.3 million? Who goes? They didn't have space this year for Boychuk, let alone Iginla.

The most-obvious answer would be Kelly's 3.0, Seidenbergs 4.0 and say Paille's 1.3. Paille could of been turfed with the other compliance buy-out. Problem is now you have to rid yourself of two older players just coming back from surgery and serious injury who have term and major cap dollars. I'd take Iginla/Boychuk over these two any day but moving Kelly/Seidenberg last summer was next to impossible when you consider both had trade protection.

So in a perfect world they would of started last season with:

Lucic - Krejci - Iginla
Marchand - Bergeron - Seguin
Soderberg - Spooner - Griffith
Caron - Cunningham - Thornton

I didn't include Pasta as I believe he needed the time in the AHL to get ready for the NHL. He would of eventually taken Griffith's spot.

Chara - Boychuk
Krug - Hamilton
Bartkowski - McQuaid
Miller

Rask
Svedberg

And Rask still gets overplayed and over-worked with Svedberg as the back-up. 1-6-2 record for Rask in back-2-backs.

I'd would of preferred this roster over what they had but look at how many other decision's had to be made to retain Thornton, Iginla and Boychuk.

For the media to say "well this guy and this guy are gone so" as the reason the Bruins failed is a easy cop-out. The personnel and cap problems ran much deeper than that.