Confirmed Trade: [CHI/ARI] Nick Schmaltz for Brendan Perlini and Dylan Strome

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again, watch the games, he hasnt been on a line with kane for some time, and strome has produced a LOT in the last 15 games away from Kane

Hopefully you don't think the numbers he's putting up in those ~100 minutes with Kahun are sustainable considering their sub 40% possession metrics and 18% onSH% together.
 

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Hopefully you don't think the numbers he's putting up in those ~100 minutes with Kahun are sustainable considering their sub 40% possession metrics and 18% onSH% together.

so let me get this straight, either its "he's always playing with kane" (which is obviously not true to anyone who has been watching their games the last 3 weeks) or "his production isn't sustainable"

seems like you are just reaching to knock his production levels in any way possible
 

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To be fair, one has been playing between Kane and DeBrincat while the other has been playing with Stepan and Galchenyuk.

There's a bit of a gap in talent there.
I think the question that remains is why didnt Strome and Kellee play together more... and it didnt work isnt even a valid argument as they scored together playing together game 3 this year. But immediately after Strome slotted to the bottom 6 and hardly got another chance.
 
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so let me get this straight, either its "he's always playing with kane" (which is obviously not true to anyone who has been watching their games the last 3 weeks) or "his production isn't sustainable"

seems like you are just reaching to knock his production levels in any way possible

There's no reaching.

He's played 3/4 of his 5v5 minutes in Chicago with Kane and, during the other 1/4 with Kahun, he has impossibly sustainable numbers.

Just adding context to the Strome vs Keller thing brought up earlier.
 

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I’m confused about this whole sustainability question..so if his numbers are very good because of Kane it’s not sustainable? Why? Is Kane going somewhere?
 
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I’m confused about this whole sustainability question..so if his numbers are very good because of Kane it’s not sustainable? Why? Is Kane going somewhere?

it makes no sense. its a weak crutch often used to knock a players production.

its not like Kane turned Michal Handzus into a 60+ pt player. When Toews was playing like dog crap last year and Q put them on the same line together get him going, Kanes production dipped and Toews' production didnt get any better

Coaches arent going to keep tethering dead weight to their star talent. its not an automatic production bump. the complimentary players still need to play their part and produce or they dont stick.

Now if you want to argue that Strome is a player that needs to be surrounded by other skill players to flourish (which he does and is a fair point), thats fine. But its hardly just that Strome found his sea legs in the NHL because of playing alongside one specific player.

Strome is not McDavid where he can drag a line of mutants up and down the ice by himself and still generate scoring. But he certainly will not develop by continually given bottom 6 minutes and linemates and then all of a sudden people in Arizona label him a "bust". Chicago just did the practical thing, give a top 3 overall pick top 6 caliber linemates and ice time. What a novel idea and the end result is production
 

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I’m confused about this whole sustainability question..so if his numbers are very good because of Kane it’s not sustainable? Why? Is Kane going somewhere?

His numbers were normal with Kane.

The unsustainable numbers are with DeBrincat and Kahun. 43 CF%, 39 SCF%, 38% HDCF. They're getting filled in at 5v5 and generating chances at a similar rate to the worst players on Chicago when together, but they have an onSH%(17.65) close to double the league average. They'd basically have to be the best offensive players to ever play the game to continue that onSH%.
 

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There's no reaching.

He's played 3/4 of his 5v5 minutes in Chicago with Kane and, during the other 1/4 with Kahun, he has impossibly sustainable numbers.

Just adding context to the Strome vs Keller thing brought up earlier.

I don't think this is accurate. Can you share the link to the TOI?

Edit: It is roughly 62.9% of his time with Kane at even strength.

TOI.

Strome has not played with Kane very much of late other than the PP. He has been lighting it up with Cat and Kahun. They are are solid skillset fit with each other.
 
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Arizona has an issue with player development. They need to figure it out. Strome is an incredible player.
This is a fact, the unbolded part may or may not be true. We are getting better at it, still below average though.

His brother put up a few good seasons too and has degraded year in and year out to barely fly as a 3rd liner. He could also be having a statistical anomaly of a season vs the rest of his career. We have seen this happen with players where their "peak" is in the first few years of entering the NHL and then they fizzle out quickly.

Not trying to knock Strome down, I hope he has a fantastic career and we're viewed as having messed up on this trade, I just wouldn't put it past him to fall on his face in the next few years.
 

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Arizona has an issue with player development. They need to figure it out. Strome is an incredible player.

This is exactly the situation in Arizona. Coyotes have one of if not the worst player development in the league.

Chayka said right after the trade, "there's a key difference between patience and hope". So basically 'hope' took all of a week because Strome started producing right away...couldn't possibly be that he was given top 6 minutes with quality players. Strome never got to play with Keller & Gally. As someone said above, it's not rocket science, just let the top picks who have incredible talent, given them top 6 minutes and let them play. Rant over!
 

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I don’t get all this talk about Stromes linemates. Schmaltz was saddled to Kane’s hip when he was in Chicago and only put up 2 goals and 9 assists in 23 games. You still have to be a really good player to go PPG while playing with good players. The reason why Strome fits really well with both DeBrincat and Kane is his IQ. He thinks the game at the same rate highly those skilled guys do and can make some incredible passes.

Don’t you think it’s a coincidence that both Kane and DeBrincat (his two most common linemates) are having career years too? Strome helps them just as much as they help him. He’s no passenger on this team.
 

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Arizona has an issue with player development. They need to figure it out. Strome is an incredible player.

In a way Strome is the proof that development is not that bad in Arizona. Getting that final hurdle to get a player into the NHL is the remaining struggle for this organisation but Strome has been well and patiently developed by the look of it, just incredible that it is another team reaping the rewards
 
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I dont think Strome would have produced on this level if he went to any other team. It was the perfect situation for him to go to.
 
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I don’t get all this talk about Stromes linemates. Schmaltz was saddled to Kane’s hip when he was in Chicago and only put up 2 goals and 9 assists in 23 games. You still have to be a really good player to go PPG while playing with good players. The reason why Strome fits really well with both DeBrincat and Kane is his IQ. He thinks the game at the same rate highly those skilled guys do and can make some incredible passes.

Don’t you think it’s a coincidence that both Kane and DeBrincat (his two most common linemates) are having career years too? Strome helps them just as much as they help him. He’s no passenger on this team.

Then it still has a lot to do with linemates. Strome wasnt going to get that in Arizona, so no one can blame them for trading him. He may not be a passenger but hes not the first or second best player on that line. Chicago just lucked out with the perfect situation. Can Kane and Debrincat continue to become first line players without Strome? Definitely yes, although with a bit lower production. Cant say the same for Strome. But if Schmaltz continues his play when he comes back from injury then Id say its a win-win trade.
 

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Arizona has an issue with player development. They need to figure it out. Strome is an incredible player.
Not really it seems like they develop the players fine and then their coaching staff in particular doesn't get the best out of them every night. He didn't just develop overnight between the trade into a good/great player.
 
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Then it still has a lot to do with linemates. Strome wasnt going to get that in Arizona, so no one can blame them for trading him. He may not be a passenger but hes not the first or second best player on that line. Chicago just lucked out with the perfect situation. Can Kane and Debrincat continue to become first line players without Strome? Definitely yes, although with a bit lower production. Cant say the same for Strome. But if Schmaltz continues his play when he comes back from injury then Id say its a win-win trade.
First or second best player on which line? Because Kahun is not better than Strome lol
 

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Strome is a third line center on an unsustainable hot streak. Arizona won this trade easily.
 

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Strome is a third line center on an unsustainable hot streak. Arizona won this trade easily.
LOL is this for real?

He's NEVER put up anything close to those numbers in Arizona. Not even half those numbers... and Arizona won this trade????
 
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LOL is this for real?

He's NEVER put up anything close to those numbers in Arizona. Not even half those numbers... and Arizona won this trade????

Schmaltz is a top six player and Strome is a 3rd line center at best. Perlini belongs in the ahl. Easy win for Arizona.
 

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Then it still has a lot to do with linemates. Strome wasnt going to get that in Arizona, so no one can blame them for trading him. He may not be a passenger but hes not the first or second best player on that line. Chicago just lucked out with the perfect situation. Can Kane and Debrincat continue to become first line players without Strome? Definitely yes, although with a bit lower production. Cant say the same for Strome. But if Schmaltz continues his play when he comes back from injury then Id say its a win-win trade.


I dont know man, I really hope that Kane guy pans out to be a first line player
 
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Schmaltz is a top six player and Strome is a 3rd line center at best. Perlini belongs in the ahl. Easy win for Arizona.
Strome is very clearly a 2C who could be a 1C eventually.

Agree on Perlini though. He's terrible.
 

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