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  1. aufheben #Panarin4Hart

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    Watching these guys play 10-second Bullet games. :laugh:

    Madness.
     
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    I use more than 10 seconds sometimes with my first move as Black.
     
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    I'm watching Hikaru...he plays the same exact opening as both white and black: move e-pawn one rank forward, fianchetto the dark bishop, then move the a/h-pawn one rank forward.

    1. e3/e6
    2. b3/g6
    3. Bb2/Bg2
    4. h3/a6

    It's the Modern Defense as black, and he completely mirrors it as white, which I guess it's a variation of the Nimzowitsch-Larssen Opening. Seems like everyone on Chess.com loves these modern openings, fianchetto'ing the bishops.

    I feel like fianchetto openings are quite advanced. Not sure why.
     
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    I'm not sure that I think of it as advanced, but it definitely requires more forethought than developing the bishop toward the centre of the board. Especially if it is your castling side that you intend to fianchetto.

    I actually don't use it a bunch in my own games, so I have more experience with attacking or neutralizing those bishops than utilizing them. A surprising amount of players will quickly fianchetto on the queenside as black without bothering to calculate that I am able to permanently close that diagonal. And seeing a black kingside fianchetto gives me a target to focus on; try to force a bishop trade then attack the weakened pawn structure.

    There are definitely things that you need to consider and to be aware of when you fianchetto, but that bishop can be very powerful, very early if you work it right. You also have to assume that your opponent is going to gobble up a little extra centre or pick up a tempo on you, and be prepared to deal with that.
     
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    Yeah there’s just more things you need to consider like exactly what you posted: the Bishop getting trapped in and neutralized, it will be stationery for most of the game, the weekend pawn structure, and becoming a clear target for the opposition.

    On the other hand, it gives your Bishop essentially it’s longest possible diagonal and cuts right through the center of the board. I’ve found it to me more usual as black than white because it’s it good and fast way to counter white’s initiative in the center.

    It’s interesting that you don’t utilize it since you play the English where fianchettoing one if not both Bishops seems to be white’s goal. The English seems theoretically similar to black: you counter the center from the flanks with distance, and allow the opponent to steer the direction of the center.
     
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    The English should be tailor made for a white fianchetto, yup. I just like trying to throw people off balance haha

    In the line that I play, the computer generally tells me to play g3 fairly early. I do know those lines, I just find them kind of draw-ish so I prefer mine. It's actually a variation developed by Aron Ninzowitsch who is widely viewed as the father of hypermodern chess. Everybody els at the time was fighting for the centre with their pawns, and he was like, "Nah, I can do that with my pieces from a distance."

    I may just not be confident enough to regularly fianchetto kingside with either colour. The vast majority of my fianchettos are queenside and they are only after I know for sure that I have the time to do it and that it will remain a powerful diagonal.

    Have you been trying to work the Modern Defense into your game?
     
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    If you're a lower rated player, I wouldn't recommend to try the modern defense. It requires alot of experience. You will easily become dominated and lose, because you don't know how to weaken and counter when you give up the center. If I was a beginner, I would try sharp openings and focus on tactics. Pinning, diagonals, pulling off diagonals, lines, development, that kind of stuff. A modern defense requires positional awareness and I would say that's not what you should play if you want to develop as a chess player.

    Take my advice with a grain of salt. I mean, I played positional openings from the start, but my tactics are weaker than they should be, I think. I can't say it's wrong, I just say you have to be accurate to be playing modern defenses. Even I feel uncomfortable playing modern defenses and I'm a 1870 FIDE player - and I'm a mainly positional player.

    Don't learn from masters, because they play in a way we cannot, because we play too many inaccurate moves. To give any more knowledge of the game, I will give this video:
     
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    Yeah I was playing the Modern last night since I’m still interested in an opening you can throw out against all of e4/d4/c4. The Modern seems viable against e4/d4, and the Great Snake 1...g6 is popular response to the English. Not bad results but the compact nature can get you into trouble quickly if you don’t know what you’re doing. Also been trying the Sicilian Kan.
     
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    Yeah, those openings get cramped in a hurry.

    I don't think I've heard of that Sicilian variation before. Hopefully I'll get a chance to get on this weekend! I'm Jonesin' for some games.
     
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    It’s 1...c5 2...e6 3...exd4 4...a6. There’s a variation of the Kan called the Hedgehog where you line up the majority of your pawns on the 6th rank and develop your pieces along the 7th. That one is super cramped but it’s effective.

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    ...then 0-0, Rc8, Re8.
     
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    I may have stumbled into a few games in this variation before. Now, I answer 2.d4 cxd4 before I even touch the e-pawn.

    I assume you mean 3...cxd4?

    4...a6 looks like it is the defining move for this variation? I'd be curious to see how the middle game looks coming from this. I push b5 in the early middle game of many Sicilians, and end up with a huge space advantage on that side that I am only able to use effectively about half the time. Perhaps this could be a bit of a safer "lock the queenside" route for me to go if I see better opportunities elsewhere.

    Also, as an aside, that position you posted looks terrible for Black :laugh:. I'm sure it's sound as long as you tread carefully, but White has much more room and can generate some crazy pressure on the kingside.
     
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    Correct, and 2...e6 instead of 2...d6. I'm still not amazing and naming the squares rigt off the bat, lol.

    @Harbour Dog Hikaru is getting killed by Naroditsky right now. 4-1 and Hikaru is about to lose his 5th.
     
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  14. Bogart Draftmates Gale Sayers & Dick Butkus

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    Magnus Carlsen, Fabiano Caruana, Ding Liren, Ian Nepomniachtchi, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Anish Giri, Hikaru Nakamura, Alireza Firouzja. I hope you guys watch this. Enjoy.
     
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    You've been following the Rangers for too long. You seem to be used to feeling cramped in your own zone. ;)

    I'm a fan of putting one knight on its natural square (c3/ f3 for white and c6/f6 for black) and place one knight on the 2nd row (d2/e2 and d7/e7). Not only do they protect eachother, but either the c or f pawn is free to advance and attack the center at the right time. If your opponent takes, you have exchanged an important center pawn for a flank pawn and gained a good square for your knight.

    The downside is of course that one of your knights not being on a natural square leads to you controlling less important squares and chess is alot about controlling squares. That's also what I love about chess. There is no magic happening, you always trade one advantage for one disadvantage, unless you or your opponent makes a mistake. Then it's just free real estate.

    That's why it's so important to understand why you play each move, you can't just learn the opening combination and be done with it. When you know why you play every move in an opening and what its strengths and weaknesses are, you can face any opening responses with your most optimal response.

    As I've previously said, I've stuck to the English opening as white and the Slav/ Caro-Kann as black for many, many years. But, I've also tried out the Sicilian opening as black and even the Budapest gambit (I even bought a book about it), or the King's gambit as white. There are so many openings and it's all about finding a structure you feel comfortable playing and like.

    But, stick to few openings as a start. Otherwise you will get stuck and not find a plan and if you can't find a plan, you will become static and lose. When you get used to an opening, you know what the plans usually are and you might even find crazy ones from time to time.
     
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  16. VanIslander Don't waste my time

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    I was ranked 11th in Canada in 4th grade elementary when i won my school, town, region and province.

    I then went into a room in York, Ontario (I from B.C.) against 9 other provincial champions and two territories (i know there are 3 but only 2 were in the national final).

    How was it?

    In a room of 12 kids i was LUCKY to finish 11th! It was a double elimination round, and I had LOSS-DRAW-DRAW-LOSS. The only upside was i drew against the guy who lost the final.

    I had bo business winning the provincial championship as even my dad told me *i was 10 years old* that he thought i had lost the provincial semifinal.

    You see, i won on DEFENSE. I had passive gameplay, few attacks, looked to gain a SINGLE PAWN advantage then play it out. Why? Because my dad always frustrated me with that strategy and it was my go-to backup plan. My dad beat a guy ranked 109th in Canada in the late 1960's at the chess club in Richmond, B.C. and he walked away when they tried to put him on a clock. I, in 1979, overcame ny lack of familiarity with a punch clock to make my finals run.

    My father taught me: defense first, seek not to attack but build for counterattack ("show the cheese") and get "a pawn advantage" and "play it out". I HATED that strategy because my dad always used it, but it served me well in competition.

    If anyone on these boards wanna play me with no clock or an extended clock, PM me, I'm all game. I have a Master's degree in Philosophy in part because my dad taught me how to THINK SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY. "At least three moves ahead" was his mantra.

    He has passed away. I still enjoy chess immensely. I have been teaching overseas in South Korea for 17 years and the local version of chess has an elephant (horse with bigger footprint), cannon (like a castle but must shoot ovet another) and the king and his pawn/guards are limited around him.
     
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    Oh frig haha, well if it is d6 then I've almost certainly stumbled into it a few times. I'm only just now starting to switch to e6 first ahead of d6.

    That must of demolished his rating!

    Natoditsky is one of the most fun guys to listen to when he's playing or watching chess. When they did the Puzzle Rush Championship on chess.com, he was just completely freaking out in the final haha
     
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    I'll be watching. Work has been incredibly busy for me over the last couple weeks, and cracking a beer or two and watching this tournament is one of the few anticipations that has kept me sane.
     
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    Mooshead Lager, here!

    Which reminds me to pick some more up after work today haha
     
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    What openings would you recommend to a beginner for black against each of e4, d4, and c4? As white, I play the Queen's Pawn Opening (either QG or the London System), but I'm thinking about switching to the King's Pawn to hep improve my tactical play.
     
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    And... now I have to work tomorrow. No chess tournament for me, unfortunately.
     
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    Tomorrow!
     
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    I watched yesterday's games. MVL may have been the only guy who brought his A-game; not sure if that will continue for the rest of the tournament, but Caruana and Nepo were lackluster and Giri was outright bad (by Super Grandmaster standards).
     
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    The Carlsen-Firouzja match from today looks like it was a doozy. I am only just about to start looking at the games.
     
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    played a game last week on chess.com and got an 87.5 rating when i analyzed it. best so far! dominated the guy.
     
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