Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy VI re-signed, 8 yrs @ 9.5 aav
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Got a little bored while I'm waiting for NHL 20 to download so I thought I'd take a look at the last 9 years of Norris Winners (Lidstrom's TOI was unavailable or it would have been 10) + the top 3 "favorites" for the Norris this year (marked with a * next to their name). I looked at their first 3 seasons in the NHL from an offensive production standpoint as well as their average TOI. To qualify as a first season they needed to have played at least 40 games. I took those first 3 years and compared them to what McAvoy has done offensively in his first 3 seasons. I also include the age they were when they won the Norris.
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[/TBODY]Average age for Norris Winner = 27yr old
So McAvoy ends up being middle of the this group in everything but GP, while having the 4th lowest playing age for his first 3 years. Not bad, not bad at all
Player | GP | Pts | P/GP | ATOI | Playing Age | Norris Age |
| Mark Giordano | 188 | 64 | 0.34 | 17:31 | 23 to 26 | 35 |
Victor Hedman* | 214 | 69 | 0.32 | 21:33 | 19 to 21 | 27 |
| Brent Burns | 231 | 84 | 0.36 | 17:52 | 20 to 22 | 31 |
| Drew Doughty | 239 | 126 | 0.53 | 24:48 | 19 to 21 | 26 |
| Erik Karlsson | 216 | 149 | 0.69 | 23:15 | 19 to 21 | 21 & 24 |
| Duncan Keith | 245 | 84 | 0.34 | 24:12 | 22 to 24 | 26 & 30 |
| P.K. Subban | 200 | 112 | 0.56 | 23:18 | 21 to 23 | 23 |
| John Carlsson* | 212 | 91 | 0.43 | 22:26 | 21 to 23 | N/A |
| Roman Josi* | 172 | 74 | 0.43 | 23:11 | 21 to 23 | N/A |
| Charlie McAvoy | 184 | 92 | 0.50 | 22:31 | 20 to 22 | N/A |
So McAvoy ends up being middle of the this group in everything but GP, while having the 4th lowest playing age for his first 3 years. Not bad, not bad at all
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TwineTickler
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Was an awesome hit. I expect he will deliver these with more frequency in coming years.
RussellmaniaKW
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more context for McAvoy:
Look how much of that chart he covers lmao. He almost completely covers Chara. Grizz is incredible value too.
Look how much of that chart he covers lmao. He almost completely covers Chara. Grizz is incredible value too.
I think the hit on Anderson was dirty. I’d be a hypocrite to say otherwise; if that was a blues player hitting a bruins player, I’m sure that’s the conclusion I’d draw.
MAINE-IAC
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Picking the 2019-20 Norris Trophy Winner Using Analytics
Spoiler alert: McAvoy's advanced stats match the eye test
Spoiler alert: McAvoy's advanced stats match the eye test
ON3M4N
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Someone needs to shove that article down Hagg's fat mouth on twitter.
ON3M4N
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Would love to, but he blocked me years ago when I called him out in some Rask BS that he couldn't defend. Still blows my mind that for such a big hocley market we have some many hack writers covering the team.
BruinDust
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While I don't think Analytics are the be-all, end-all, I do think they are a good indicator or tool in measuring the ability to defend/prevent the opposing team from scoring. Much better than say +/-.
Couple of interesting things other than McAvoy:
Hamilton's inclusion. I don't know what his deal is off the ice or how he fits into a room, but seems like he's developed into a well-rounded D-man as he is now in his prime years. No one ever doubted he had the physical tools. Big guy, had reach, good skater.
Ellis and Spurgeon. Two of the league's smallest D-men yet they prevent scoring at a a high rate. Proof that you can defend now with your feet, stick and positioning and not being able to truck guys in front of the net is no longer the detriment to defending that it was year's ago. Sure there are a handful of players that if they set-up shop in front, smaller D would have a problem. But the number of players (power-forward types) league-wide who pose this sort of problem is so small now that it's really not an issue the majority of the time. The speed of the game has filtered a lot of these power-forward types out as they can't keep pace (see Backes, Lucic, etc.)
Great points- I've always felt this way about Gryz- there are a few guys in the league that will give him a rough time on the end boards and in front of the net, but they are scarce and getting scarcer. Don Sweeney would have absolutely thrived in today's NHL. Poor guy was dealing with the Lindros/LeClair/Tkachuk/Bertuzzis of the world in his day.
As much as I love mcavoy, he has 2 REALLY bad habits:
Knocking himself or opponents into our goalies
Scoring own-goals
Knocking himself or opponents into our goalies
Scoring own-goals
Trap Jesus
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He was rough in the round robin, but good lord he's been exceptional these last 2 games. He's been a force in all 3 zones, and has covered up for Chara quite a bit against an awesome orechecking team. There were points in the 3rd where he just took matters into his own hands a lot of the time. He got that penalty in the 3rd, but that call looked questionable at best to me.
Easily our strongest player right now. He’s carrying whoever they pair him with. Love his game and how he ups it when being targeted.
I hope he doesn’t get discouraged and continues his intensity after those soft calls against him.
TwineTickler
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Love when he activates in the offensive zone. His ceiling is absolutely being held back playing with Z. Not supposed to a knock on Z but facts are facts.. due to Chara's lack of foot speed/mobility Charlie can't do the things he'd like to do and things he excels at. When he's paired with Grz he has so much more freedom and can be dangerous in the offensive end. He's been very good through this first 2 games.
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I love this whole sequence. Aggressively cuts off the dump-out and puta it down with a guy on him, assertiveness and confidence with the puck to get the zone entry to lead to an opportunity, mixes it up down low before circling back to his off-side, then sees an opportunity to pounce with Staal's head down and lends the knockout blow:
Anyone besides me think the Canes will be gunning for Charlie for the rest of the series? I hope they dont but....
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Can we talk about how he didn't pass or stand out positively by any statistical measure in this series yet was very obviously the best defenseman and IMO best player on the ice, playing nearly 5 minutes more per game than any other D-man on the team?
5 GP: 0 G, 2 A, 2 P, -2
Of the 22 Bruins that played:
- Most PIMs on the team
- 7th in shots
- 11th in CF%
- 12th in FF%
- T-21st in +/-
- 11th in xGF%
- 10th highest Ozone start %
Lesson: look beyond the stat-sheet
5 GP: 0 G, 2 A, 2 P, -2
Of the 22 Bruins that played:
- Most PIMs on the team
- 7th in shots
- 11th in CF%
- 12th in FF%
- T-21st in +/-
- 11th in xGF%
- 10th highest Ozone start %
Lesson: look beyond the stat-sheet
The top 3 D are head and shoulders above the rest.
Hedman, Jones & Josi. There are probably another
at least 10 D you can make an honest argument
for. You mentioned two others. In no order here are
some others.
Parayko, Doughty, Provorov, Makar, Dahlin, Heiskenen,
Petry, Weber, Burns.
Rubber Biscuit
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Give me McAvoy over most of those guys, easily
Rubber Biscuit
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Petry, for one, who doesn't belong anywhere near that list.
Parayko, Provorov, Heiskanen, Weber
Doughty and Burns both had shitty years, but I want to see if that was a fluke or if they've both fallen off the cliff before I definitely write them off
JRull86
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They really need to get McAvoy away from Chara more. He's a different player when he's skating with someone like Grzelyck.
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