Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

[BruinsFanSince94]

McAvoy is not eligible to be offer sheeted

He has no leverage this offseason he either has to sign with Boston or holdout

Yes he is? He's an RFA.

 

[Emerz]

I have to agree. I doubt that he would have been as quick to drop his gloves with a bigger, tougher player than Panarin. I'm still surprised at how well Panarin did more than holding his own against a guy outweighing him by 50 lbs. Looks like Panarins boxing lessons paid off.

I'd also like to see Mcavoy play a little cleaner. I'd also like to see him fight within his own weight class next time as well.

McAvoy has been challenged to 2 fights in his career, one against 6'3 210 Dubois and the other against Panarin, I literally cannot recall a single instance of McAvoy turning down someone who wanted to fight him. He doesn't even initiate fights himself, he just plays the game and answers the bell when someone wants to fight him.

I guess I just don't even slightly see what you're seeing, but if you could give me an example or two of McAvoy refusing to fight a bigger man that may help others see your view.

 

[Smitty93]

Yes he is? He's an RFA.

I don't have the exact language, but a player needs three accrued seasons in order to be eligible to sign an offer sheet. An accrued season requires 40 games played. Since McAvoy did not play 40 games his first year, he does not get that accrued season and is not eligible to sign an offer sheet.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I don't have the exact language, but a player needs three accrued seasons in order to be eligible to sign an offer sheet. An accrued season requires 40 games played. Since McAvoy did not play 40 games his first year, he does not get that accrued season and is not eligible to sign an offer sheet.

This is a part of today’s game in which I really need to better educate myself.

If he is not eligible to be offer sheeted, is there any leverage at all on his side? He would have absolutely no other option but to sit out the season if the Bruins and him could not agree on a contract and no chance of another team being able to acquire him without a trade, right? I get the chance of an offer sheet on him is low, regardless of circumstance, but there has to be something I am missing.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I don't have the exact language, but a player needs three accrued seasons in order to be eligible to sign an offer sheet. An accrued season requires 40 games played. Since McAvoy did not play 40 games his first year, he does not get that accrued season and is not eligible to sign an offer sheet.

Pretty sure all you need to be is an RFA.

 

[Salem13]

Pretty sure all you need to be is an RFA.

I just did my best google-fu and the only reference I found stated ten games, which he had 4 in the P and 6 up here to burn it quite precisely.

If he did not meet the requirements I see no special group of RFA he would fit in that case, he would simply be available for another ELC which we would need to pay 105%

 

[13Hockey]

Yes he is? He's an RFA.

The only possible issue with burning the first year of McAvoy’s ELC is that his restricted free agency clock is moved up a year. But even if McAvoy does become an RFA after the 2018-19 season, he will have fewer than three years of accrued experience due to the 40-game rule. The current CBA states that no other team would be able to sign McAvoy to an offer sheet due to having less than three full seasons under his belt. Essentially, when McAvoy becomes an RFA, he will either need to sign the Bruins’ qualifying offer or sit out until he agrees to a long-term deal.

Why Burning Year One Of Charlie McAvoy’s Contract Isn’t A Big Deal

 

[Smitty93]

Pretty sure all you need to be is an RFA.

Doing a quick Google search, I found this.

The only possible issue with burning the first year of McAvoy’s ELC is that his restricted free agency clock is moved up a year. But even if McAvoy does become an RFA after the 2018-19 season, he will have fewer than three years of accrued experience due to the 40-game rule. The current CBA states that no other team would be able to sign McAvoy to an offer sheet due to having less than three full seasons under his belt. Essentially, when McAvoy becomes an RFA, he will either need to sign the Bruins’ qualifying offer or sit out until he agrees to a long-term deal.

I've seen/heard it said elsewhere as well, but I don't have the language from the CBA to confirm it myself.

 

[Smitty93]

The only possible issue with burning the first year of McAvoy’s ELC is that his restricted free agency clock is moved up a year. But even if McAvoy does become an RFA after the 2018-19 season, he will have fewer than three years of accrued experience due to the 40-game rule. The current CBA states that no other team would be able to sign McAvoy to an offer sheet due to having less than three full seasons under his belt. Essentially, when McAvoy becomes an RFA, he will either need to sign the Bruins’ qualifying offer or sit out until he agrees to a long-term deal.

Why Burning Year One Of Charlie McAvoy’s Contract Isn’t A Big Deal

Jinx

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

The only possible issue with burning the first year of McAvoy’s ELC is that his restricted free agency clock is moved up a year. But even if McAvoy does become an RFA after the 2018-19 season, he will have fewer than three years of accrued experience due to the 40-game rule. The current CBA states that no other team would be able to sign McAvoy to an offer sheet due to having less than three full seasons under his belt. Essentially, when McAvoy becomes an RFA, he will either need to sign the Bruins’ qualifying offer or sit out until he agrees to a long-term deal.

Why Burning Year One Of Charlie McAvoy’s Contract Isn’t A Big Deal

Thanks for this. Reason #93937849494744785 why I couldn't be an NHL GM.

 

[13Hockey]

Thanks for this. Reason #93937849494744785 why I couldn't be an NHL GM.

Big reason why I have a lot of optimism where gonna get a great deal on McAvoy is because I found out about this loophole ...He is in a tough position...and holding out never usually benefits a player he pretty much has to take what the bruins give

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Big reason why I have a lot of optimism where gonna get a great deal on McAvoy is because I found out about this loophole ...He is a tough position...and holding out never usually benefits a player he pretty much has to take what the bruins give

Bruins would be wise to come in with a fair and strong offer.

 

[Mainehockey33]

The only possible issue with burning the first year of McAvoy’s ELC is that his restricted free agency clock is moved up a year. But even if McAvoy does become an RFA after the 2018-19 season, he will have fewer than three years of accrued experience due to the 40-game rule. The current CBA states that no other team would be able to sign McAvoy to an offer sheet due to having less than three full seasons under his belt. Essentially, when McAvoy becomes an RFA, he will either need to sign the Bruins’ qualifying offer or sit out until he agrees to a long-term deal.

Why Burning Year One Of Charlie McAvoy’s Contract Isn’t A Big Deal

The CBA is more complicated than US tax code.

 

[13Hockey]

Bruins would be wise to come in with a fair and strong offer.

Agreed which should be in the 4.5-6 million range over 4-6 years which is what other comparable top RFA D have gotten on there 2nd contract with the only exception being Ekland who got 7.5 per

I’d say 4-5 years between 5-6 million is very fair

 

[BAD BOY]

Bruins would be wise to come in with a fair and strong offer.

I offer 35 M over 5. If that got rejected. I offer 41 M over 5 . That’s a tick over 8. With Chara at his age and if Sweeney moves Krug, they will have the cap space, they can build around McAvoy and Vak I forgot his name but is their best prospect. If McAvoy holds out , he holds out. He’s going nowhere. We dumped Seguin for nothing. Hamilton was a as.h..e. I think the first offer is fair and I know the second offer is good. They are not and better not trade him. He’s the future. I don’t care about draft picks or 18\19 year old prospects we will have no patience on developing. Good and YOUNG Defence man don’t grow on trees.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I offer 35 M over 5. If that got rejected. I offer 41 M over 5 . That’s a tick over 8. With Chara at his age and if Sweeney moves Krug, they will have the cap space, they can build around McAvoy and Vak I forgot his name but is their best prospect. If McAvoy holds out , he holds out. He’s going nowhere. We dumped Seguin for nothing. Hamilton was a as.h..e. I think the first offer is fair and I know the second offer is good. They are not and better not trade him. He’s the future. I don’t care about draft picks or 18\19 year old prospects we will have no patience on developing. Good and YOUNG Defence man don’t grow on trees.

You're on a computer/phone. You know you can search on google and find this out. Urho Vaakanainen is his name

They're not going to trade McAvoy. No need to worry there.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Agreed which should be in the 4.5-6 million range over 4-6 years which is what other comparable top RFA D have gotten on there 2nd contract with the only exception being Ekland who got 7.5 per

I’d say 4-5 years between 5-6 million is very fair

I would be shocked if he signs that. He would need to fire he agent

 

[DrJustice]

Looks like Charlie is gonna be filling in on the powerplay for Krug.

Interested to see how that unit looks with Pastrnak back in the fold.

The notion that he can replace Krug in that spot is about to be challenged.

 

[ODAAT]

Thanks for this. Reason #93937849494744785 why I couldn't be an NHL GM.

I only require one reason why I`m disqualified.......I`m not smart enough, case closed

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

his last two games: 27:26 & 26:34 TOI

Leads the team in even strength TOI per game (24th in the league)

kid is an absolute horse & only getting better

edit: and oh btw, he's on ~44 point pace while having missed a bunch of time to injury and not being 100% for much of the time he did play and only having ONE point on the PP.

 

[Emerz]

his last two games: 27:26 & 26:34 TOI

Leads the team in even strength TOI per game (24th in the league)

kid is an absolute horse & only getting better

edit: and oh btw, he's on ~44 point pace while having missed a bunch of time to injury and not being 100% for much of the time he did play and only having ONE point on the PP.

Love watching McAvoy play, he's so smooth back there. Yeah he makes the occasional brain fart but when you're playing as much as he does, it's too be expected.

Yeah this guy plays more than anyone on the Bruins for the past 2 years, he's going to get paid big money and I don't think there's ever really a problem with having too many good players on your team.

Luckily Sweeney has shown he gets a lot of value when he re-extends players.

 

[CDJ]

He’s a cornerstone player and they are quite fortunate to have gotten him where they did. Absolute workhorse. Love his game

 

[BruinsNetwork]

his last two games: 27:26 & 26:34 TOI

Leads the team in even strength TOI per game (24th in the league)

kid is an absolute horse & only getting better

edit: and oh btw, he's on ~44 point pace while having missed a bunch of time to injury and not being 100% for much of the time he did play and only having ONE point on the PP.

He had 7G-25A-32PTS in 63GP last year.

This year, he has 6G-18A-24PTS in 45GP. That also puts him on pace for 33PTS in 63GP. Sample size is only the current and last season, but that’s some nice consistency. We also haven’t even seen the best of his offensive capabilities.

 

[Dr Hook]

He had 7G-25A-32PTS in 63GP last year.

This year, he has 6G-18A-24PTS in 45GP. That also puts him on pace for 33PTS in 63GP. Sample size is only the current and last season, but that’s some nice consistency. We also haven’t even seen the best of his offensive capabilities.

I agree, he's only just getting going with side of his game. Plus, most high scoring d-men in the league pick up a lot of their points on the PP. Charlie doesn't get much quality PP time at this point. If he took over Krug's spot on the #1 unit (not saying he will or should right now) we'd see a point spike from him. He'd start looking like a 50-60 point guy I think.

 

[Kazcram]

McAvoy is not eligible to be offer sheeted

He has no leverage this offseason he either has to sign with Boston or holdout

how so?