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  1. user26

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    Hey guys!

    I’m not familiar with the team or roster, only know a couple players on the team tbh. Obviously not the best start but who cares it’s early and anything can happen.

    I’m just curious on what you guys would change and how you would plan the future of the team. What seems to be the main problems? Are they an easy fix or is it more then that? Also on the bright side- who is looking good for the future? Any promising prospects?Perhaps I can get to know your team better!

    Cheers guys!
     
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    Move the team to Auburn Hills.

    I mean at this point I'd just wait for contracts to expire, move what I can at the deadlines, and try to draft well.
     
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    To start: Trade:

    Nielsen
    Abdelkader
    Nyquist
    Vanek
    AA
    Daley
    Green
    Helm
    Howard
     
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    Call every single GM every single day up until the TDL hoping to dump the likes of: Nielsen, Helm,Gator (unlikely) DK (very unlikely) Howard, Nyquist Glendening, Kronwall , Ericsson hope someone bites.
     
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    Scout as much as possible. Trade expiring contracts and non-essential veterans for draft picks and prospects. Your classic rebuild. We've been patching holes for a while and need to tear it down to build it back up stronger.

    I think we have a great young cast of support players (Larkin, Mantha, Chowloski, Zadina, etc.) but need a 1st line center (ideally Jack Hughes 1st overall in the next draft) and a top defenseman to build around. We're also not looking great in goal for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Immediately, trade Nyquist, Vanek, Jensen, and maybe Daley and Helm at the deadline. Realistically one of the first three won't get traded and this board will be up in arms like Green last year.

    Long term, focus on scouting and development. Draft high skill, high reward type players instead of safe picks. Go for Kucherov's and Palat's instead of Sheahan's.
     
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    How could the team charge the price of admission if we just traded away anyone with experience+some skill?
     
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    Playing in the NHL is a privilege. Playing on the Red Wings is even more so. Get rid of guys that don't understand that: Mantha, AA, and Vanek. Fire Blashill. Let Bylsma finish the year. Stock the bar with plenty of liquor. Pray.
     
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    Well, that is precisely why the TRADE EVERYONE FOR ANYTHING proposals are fruitless. If that were to happen, Givani Smith would be on our 3rd line.
     
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    Negatives: we severely lack talent, mostly at D, but we need help everywhere.

    Positives: in general our u25 crowd is doing alright. Larkin looks like he's almost a top line C. We're going to add talent through the draft (top 4 this year I think) and have already started doing so.

    Actions: move out vets for picks, promote kids, focus on the draft. Figure out the best coach for development and bring him in. Be patient, don't make panic moves. Keep your ear to the ground for any opportunity to get a young D with potential.
     
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    Good coach for beginning, let him figured out who he like to get rid of. Get better at scouting
     
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    Thank you, these posts are getting out of hand
    "Trade everyone who is over 24!!"
     
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    It blows my mind how folks are freaking out this bad when it was painfully clear this team was going to suck.
     
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    Answer to the OP
    What seems to be the main problems?
    Our problems are man-made and an extension of trying to extend our playoff streak, we lack high end prospect talent. Our first top 15 pick in 25 years was Michael Rasmussen, who is a fine prospect but not the elite prospect fans were going for with our first top ten pick.
    Are they an easy fix or is it more then that?
    The "easy fix" is a true rebuild, we need young, elite talent.
    Also on the bright side- who is looking good for the future?
    Cholowski, Hronek are top 4 players, 1 of whom can seemingly pair with that Elite D man we need on the top pair. Luckily, Cholo is proving to people, as a 20 year old, he has had stones to be a real player in this league.
    Zadina is a great prospect, though he hasn't flashed the NHL ability of a Brady Tkachuk yet, he has plenty of growth. Won't be the first time an elite prospect didn't show his greatness before making the show. I will say, I was a big Brady Tkachuk guy, and I would've been really okay with drafting him. I'm not surprised with what he's shown me at this level.
    Any promising prospects?
    Outside of the top dogs, I'd say Givani Smith is a legit nhler. People may point to his "production" in his first few games in the ahl a point total standpoint, but I've watched 3 of those games... And the dude just gets it. He's not a top 6 talent, but he's the type of player that people dig.
    Jared McIssac has top 4 potential. Nothing to add specifically, but he is a legit nhl prospect.
    Gustav Lindstrom is a guy that no one will ever talk about, but dude has real poise and calmness about him and a solid defensive game to match. He's not going to put up 50 points, but he has top 4 potential too.
    Jonatan Berggren is a creative, skilled kid playing in the SHL, he's learning to play against men but his creativity never lacks. Exciting young top 6 prospect.
    Joe Veleno is a player. The questions about his shot are dwindling quickly. Creative, assertive, and smart, just a pure nhl prospect, kid is a definite 2 or 3 C in my mind.
    There's some goalie prospects, but Filip Larsson has been riddled with injuries that makes his stellar play concerning. Same with E Svechnikov, I love the kid but his inopportune injuries just make you feel bad for him as a fan.
     
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    they really are. Not only do the bad contracts not matter as much by now, but with getting rid of everyone you'd destroy the path of development of our young kids. Apart from this, noone will ever give you picks for guys like abdelkader or nielsen.


    To OP

    Nothing, that hasn't been said already. I like saarijarvi from the prospect group as well, i think he will be a NHL player and PP specialist.

    - For several years now, i have the feeling the team at times just doesn't want to play for blashhill, and i can perfectly understand why. So this would be a move i would make, since bylsma is an NHL experienced coach who can take the reigns for the rest of the year.

    - I'd try to ship Green at the tradeline, since we've seen that cholowski can pretty much replace him already. Maybe Nyquist if he plays a solid year until then, but with svech injured, who do you call up? Only if zadina dominates the AHL until then

    - Our prospects pool has dramatically increased since the last draft. We have a lot of interesting and skilled players, such as berggren, veleno, zadina, smith, saarijarvi, hronek, cholowski, rasmussen, svechnikov. If they all pan out, we have a lot of good pieces in place
     
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    It is all about acquiring young assets. We should be able to get 4 picks in the top 40 in the next draft, but 5 would be great.

    At this point, I don't see any veterans blocking NHL ready prospects from playing, except maybe Turgeon. However, Turgeon's play in GR this year has not been stellar much like the rest of the team. Finding room for the prospects next year is more of the issue, especially if they resign Nyquist. Yzerman's track record shows he is a little more aggressive in trading or buying out veterans.

    Cholowski and Hronek have played well enough to remain with the club. If the veterans get healthy, Jensen will likely be moved.

    If Yzerman does return, I think it is very difficult to predict what a 2020 roster would look like. I would doubt that any player has a guaranteed roster spot.
     
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    The Redwings are right up against the cup despite being a losing team. Not just this season...since years this idiot Holland, once the league's best GM, is wasting money for no reason. Not sure what's wrong with Holland but this isn't a rebuild, it's bs.
    Not the most popular opinion I know but here's what I'd do:

    Waive/buyout: Daley, Ericsson, Jensen, Helm
    Trade: Nyquist, Nielsen, Bertuzzi
    AHL: Frk, Hronek
    Claim, Acquire: Fora, Lettieri

    With everybody healthy that would result in something like that:


    Athanasiou, Larkin, Lettieri
    Mantha, Rasmussen, Vanek
    Smith, Glendening, Abdelkader
    Ehn, Turgeon, Witkowski
    de la Rose

    Cholowski, Green
    DeKeyser, Fora
    Kronwall, Lashoff
    Sulak, Hicketts


    The Redwings need another righty defender. Fora wants out of the Canes organization and is currently on unconditional waivers. He'd be an option but there should be other interesting projects available for free or cheap. Redwings also need a quality righty to play with Larkin. I don't think Lettieri will get much of a chance with the Rangers but he could do more. Another, a bit more expensive option could be Arizona's Christian Fischer who's in need of change of scenery. Whoever it is in the end, playing Larkin with Nyquist and Helm is bs. Trading Vanek could also make sense if the Redwings find another younger righty forward.
     
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  20. NickH8

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    3 players isn't everyone. I doubt we'll have a hard time finding a defenseman and two forwards to fill those spots. This is even less people than the 2017 deadline.
     
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    Why would a fan care about an owner wasting money? Definitely some really bad contracts but no huge AAV on any of them and most expire in the next two years. There cap situation is the least of their problems. Honestly, I don’t understand why people are so hung up on it. All you can do is draft and develop and put players in a position to succeed. What’s dissappointing is that another batch of forwards are looking like middling wingers like the Tatar-Nyquist era. Bad drafting/luck for the last 10 years is why they are where they are. Not from overpaying bottom six forwards.

    I’d like to see a coaching change just to see if somebody can muster some more offense out of these players before they become more worthless assets
     
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    But how are we going to get rid of the guys you all traded for when we find out they suck just as much?
     
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    Good GM for beginning*.

    ..

    But seriously, it really starts there. I don't like the coach of this team either but it's just not possible to win with three-four rookies on the back end and barely a leading veteran(let alone an truly elite one) up front either. At least not to any meaningful extent meaning a playoff chance. I welcome changing coaches already but it won't prevent the team from stinking this season.

    Basically "just" need a clean slate when it comes to building the roster, fit the pieces where they belong and go fro.m there. New veterans if need to, the Abdelkaders and Helms had a role when we had some real elite talent but what's their role now, really? They should be leading players by now to remain on the team and they aren't. For sucking for so many seasons, our rebuild has not come nearly far enough in that respect. Players that should've been among the first to be traded or dumped when rebuilding remain on the team. A huge problem when trying to establish something new. I'm not saying just get young for the sake of it either, young players also need to fit in and have a role. The ones that doesn't fit need to be traded for other prospects or put together as packages for useful roster player.

    If not for multiple injuries Wings this season would've been a veteran team with some young talent on somewhat leading positions. That's not acceptable for where the team currently sits and shows that Holland still doesn't get it. If we're gonna completely stink we should not be up against the cap under any circumstances. We have a bottom half of the roster that's probably more expensive than the upper half and it's just depressing as hell.

    Stevie would probably be a great fit for this, perfect timing etc., but I'm not gonna say he's the only option. Most important is to find someone that can make the tough decisions Holland clearly can't. Things aren't too dark in a two-three year perspective, there are some pieces to build with and expiring contracts that will make room eventually.
     
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    It's not a huge problem per se, but it clearly shows how incompetent the GM is when he keeps having the team up against the cap and still makes it gradually worse. And incompetence is that last thing you want when rebuilding a team from the ground.

    If all these dollars were at least spent on good players, it would be to the benefit of the young players too and help them develop. Are you seriously gonna tell the young players to model their game after Nielsen and Abdelkader? That's a huge ****ing problem in itself.
     
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    Replace Ken Holland. That fixes everything.
     
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