Prospect Info: Chabot - potential

Micklebot

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I'd prefer to shelter him at first - then let him work up the lineup gradually. I think he's going to be a stud, but let him start with what he can handle and give him more as he's ready.

Also, I think his optimal value isn't playing with EK, its being a stud and never being on the ice with EK. A stud D on the ice for 50+ mins a night... that would be insane. A long way to go before that would happen but, to me, that is the desired outcome.

My hope (read super duper fantasy) is that Karlsson and Chabot end up like our Neidermayer/Pronger. They rarely played together with the ducks, but ensure that there was always an elite Dman controlling the play.

More realistic might be a similar situation to when Detroit had Lidstrom and Rafalski, (btw, holy crap, I just looked back at Detroit back then, and they had all off Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall putting up over 50 pts in 08-09, how often does that happen)
 

thadman

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Am I the only one who just realized that Chabot and White were born on the exact same day?
 

Viletho

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Am I the only one who just realized that Chabot and White were born on the exact same day?

I knew that too. Because I had to create Colin White in NHL 17 and i put his birthdate and when i tried to change Chabot potential ( too low IMO ), ie saw the birthdate and realize it.
 

ReginKarlssonLehner

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Lets wait at least until 40 game mark. If he's still close to PPG until then, then go ahead. Right now it'll just lead to animosity. Especially if he and the Sens fall hard, we won't hear the end of it.
 

LeProspector

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Although I love me my Thomas Chabot, it’s a bit early for that. For the most part players regress as the season goes on, last year for example Pietrangelo was scoring at a PPG pace during he first 20 or so game and was a Norris favourite. By seasons end he had 54 points and didn’t even finish top 3.
Chabot is still young and other teams will start to focus on him more, and I’m going to assume the point production will slow down. If he’s still keeping up this pace by the middle of the season, I’ll be glad to shove Chabot’s name in every teams fanbase’s face.
 

Pierre from Orleans

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If he continues his play and becomes the #1 D he is already looking like I hope whoever coaches this team does not make the same mistake where they funnel everything to him like they did Karlsson.
 
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Samsquanch

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If he continues his play and becomes the #1 D he is already looking like I hope whoever coaches this team does not make the same mistake where they funnel everything to him like they did Karlsson.

His game is so different from EK's, I dont see it becoming a problem here with TC. I think we're both in agreement that Chabot plays more of a two way game, and I dont see him ever being the entire focal point of our teams offense like EK was (even above our best forwards).

EK was a one man breakout machine. And while he is obviously a master puck distributor, I dont think that he used his teammates as much as he could have, specifically his partner on D. You would think that Methot would have inevitably put up some respectable numbers just by way of osmosis and being stapled to Karl. But he never did get many touches on the puck at all, and Erik did become some predictable at one point in time (not that you could stop him anyways though).

It became clear to most teams that if you shut down Karlsson, the Sens offense was basically non existent.

But on the flip side, it looks like Chabot is very actively using his partner DeMelo as a part of creating offense. So while Chabot is much less flashy, he's still very effective at moving the puck up the ice and getting into good scoring position. There is more than one way to skin a cat!
 

Xspyrit

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Thomas is a lock to be a Canadian version somewhere between Lubomir Visnovsky (albeit taller/bigger) and Sergei Zubov. The latter was freaking beast so that's what I'm hoping.

If he continues his play and becomes the #1 D he is already looking like I hope whoever coaches this team does not make the same mistake where they funnel everything to him like they did Karlsson.

The next coaching staff hired will be so crucial and not just for the reason you mentioned. Maybe it would be better to wait a bit before making changes then, wait for the team to be in better shape financially.
 
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Pierre from Orleans

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His game is so different from EK's, I dont see it becoming a problem here with TC. I think we're both in agreement that Chabot plays more of a two way game, and I dont see him ever being the entire focal point of our teams offense like EK was (even above our best forwards).

EK was a one man breakout machine. And while he is obviously a master puck distributor, I dont think that he used his teammates as much as he could have, specifically his partner on D. You would think that Methot would have inevitably put up some respectable numbers just by way of osmosis and being stapled to Karl. But he never did get many touches on the puck at all, and Erik did become some predictable at one point in time (not that you could stop him anyways though).

It became clear to most teams that if you shut down Karlsson, the Sens offense was basically non existent.

But on the flip side, it looks like Chabot is very actively using his partner DeMelo as a part of creating offense. So while Chabot is much less flashy, he's still very effective at moving the puck up the ice and getting into good scoring position. There is more than one way to skin a cat!
It's still to early to say though. I don't think Karlsson was heavily relied upon during his first few seasons so that could change with Chabot.
Surrounding him with a competent D partner and a good supporting cast will definitely help alleviate the load from him which is what I hope we do moving forward.
 

branch

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What happens at RFA if he keeps it up like this? Does the team pay him? Or will he get Zibanejad'd/Turris'd/Karlsson'd?
 

Sensmileletsgo

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What happens at RFA if he keeps it up like this? Does the team pay him? Or will he get Zibanejad'd/Turris'd/Karlsson'd?
You can’t group all those players into the same contract situation, they were all very different. Ottawa committed to Turris and Karlsson while they were young and in their prime, but were unwilling to pay them once they were becoming UFAs. With Zibanejad management didn’t want to commit to him during even while he was young.
I think they will do what they did to Karlsson. Chabot will earn himself a very big contract buying up his prime RFA years and some UFA years. Who knows what will happen after that. 8 years is a very long time in the NHL and things will hopefully be very different for Ottawa by then.
 

Xspyrit

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D-men P/60 since 2009-10 (any situation)

1- SHAYNE.GOSTISBEHERE 1.93 (233 GP)
2- ERIK.KARLSSON 1.87 (640 GP)
3- WILL.BUTCHER 1.86 (91 GP)
4- MARC-ANDRE.BERGERON 1.84 (151 GP)
5- JOHN.KLINGBERG 1.82 (315 GP)
6- MIKHAIL.SERGACHEV 1.8 (95 GP)
7- BRENT.BURNS 1.74 (578 GP)
8- KRIS.LETANG 1.72 (547 GP)
9- TOREY.KRUG 1.7 (399 GP)
10- THOMAS.CHABOT 1.69 (76 GP)
11- BRIAN.RAFALSKI
12- DUSTIN.BYFUGLIEN
13- KEVIN.SHATTENKIRK
14- TYSON.BARRIE
15- P.K..SUBBAN
16- KEITH.YANDLE
17- MIKE.GREEN
18- CHRIS.PRONGER
19- DOUGIE.HAMILTON
etc

Yeah, Chabot is kinda good because he can defend (unlike Shattenkirk for ex) and is not just a PP specialist (like Bergeron)

Also, this important stat in offensive production shows you that Karlsson is not the only D-man capable producing a lot of offense from the blue-line, so (IMO) if he is not elite defensively (and he was not last year at all), he is not worth the money he is asking.
 
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Sensung

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Chabot is awesome. Would have been fantastic to pair him with EK and have the best pairing in the league. Instead we can look forward to him being traded when it is time to pay him market value.

Thanks Eugene!
 
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Good thing you're always around to ask the most important questions... /s

Thanks pal. The precedent definitely has not been set you're right. Given the fact he is an RFA in a years time it is definitely not relevant. Sorry for not fitting your Sens Truther agenda.
 

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D-men P/60 since 2009-10 (any situation)

1- SHAYNE.GOSTISBEHERE 1.93 (233 GP)
2- ERIK.KARLSSON 1.87 (640 GP)
3- WILL.BUTCHER 1.86 (91 GP)
4- MARC-ANDRE.BERGERON 1.84 (151 GP)
5- JOHN.KLINGBERG 1.82 (315 GP)
6- MIKHAIL.SERGACHEV 1.8 (95 GP)
7- BRENT.BURNS 1.74 (578 GP)
8- KRIS.LETANG 1.72 (547 GP)
9- TOREY.KRUG 1.7 (399 GP)
10- THOMAS.CHABOT 1.69 (76 GP)
11- BRIAN.RAFALSKI
12- DUSTIN.BYFUGLIEN
13- KEVIN.SHATTENKIRK
14- TYSON.BARRIE
15- P.K..SUBBAN
16- KEITH.YANDLE
17- MIKE.GREEN
18- CHRIS.PRONGER
19- DOUGIE.HAMILTON
etc

Yeah, Chabot is kinda good because he can defend (unlike Shattenkirk for ex) and is not just a PP specialist (like Bergeron)

Also, this important stat in offensive production shows you that Karlsson is not the only D-man capable producing a lot of offense from the blue-line, so (IMO) if he is not elite defensively (and he was not last year at all), he is not worth the money he is asking.

Stupid stat that favours players who have a higher ratio of power play time and penalizes those with a higher ratio of penalty kill time.
 

danielpalfredsson

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Is it too early to start a Chabot for Norris campaign?

I thought the buffalo game was one of his best. He was all over the ice.

My favorite is the zone entry in the colin white. sooo smooth and clean, perfect flip pass to Bobby then a pass to Stone.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/button...hat-he-s-an-elite-player-for-the-sens~1529481

If Doughty and Burns have taught me anything, it's never too early to campaign for a Norris.

The only hitch is that Karlsson isn't having a Norris level season yet. The whole campaigning thing works better when Karlsson is the obvious candidate to win.
 

danielpalfredsson

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Aug 14, 2013
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D-men P/60 since 2009-10 (any situation)

1- SHAYNE.GOSTISBEHERE 1.93 (233 GP)
2- ERIK.KARLSSON 1.87 (640 GP)
3- WILL.BUTCHER 1.86 (91 GP)
4- MARC-ANDRE.BERGERON 1.84 (151 GP)
5- JOHN.KLINGBERG 1.82 (315 GP)
6- MIKHAIL.SERGACHEV 1.8 (95 GP)
7- BRENT.BURNS 1.74 (578 GP)
8- KRIS.LETANG 1.72 (547 GP)
9- TOREY.KRUG 1.7 (399 GP)
10- THOMAS.CHABOT 1.69 (76 GP)
11- BRIAN.RAFALSKI
12- DUSTIN.BYFUGLIEN
13- KEVIN.SHATTENKIRK
14- TYSON.BARRIE
15- P.K..SUBBAN
16- KEITH.YANDLE
17- MIKE.GREEN
18- CHRIS.PRONGER
19- DOUGIE.HAMILTON
etc

Yeah, Chabot is kinda good because he can defend (unlike Shattenkirk for ex) and is not just a PP specialist (like Bergeron)

Also, this important stat in offensive production shows you that Karlsson is not the only D-man capable producing a lot of offense from the blue-line, so (IMO) if he is not elite defensively (and he was not last year at all), he is not worth the money he is asking.


Karl's points per 60 would be deflated since he plays so many minutes in a variety of situations. There really isn't a D who has produced anywhere near as much and as consistently as Karlsson since Karlsson's breakout year. In recent history, Burns has come close. Over that entire time span, if I recall Letang is the closest to Karl, but there's still a massive difference, and Letang player with Crosby and Malkin.

What I'm saying is, slash Karl's minutes to a more forgiving 21-22 minutes instead of as much as 28 and do you think he puts up significantly less points?
 

Agent Zub

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My hope (read super duper fantasy) is that Karlsson and Chabot end up like our Neidermayer/Pronger. They rarely played together with the ducks, but ensure that there was always an elite Dman controlling the play.

More realistic might be a similar situation to when Detroit had Lidstrom and Rafalski, (btw, holy crap, I just looked back at Detroit back then, and they had all off Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall putting up over 50 pts in 08-09, how often does that happen)

This made me sad

Alexa play despacito
 

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