Jamin
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I agree... total money pit. Just don't know how i'd survive without Dragon's Den.
Love Dragon's Den and its actually better then the american version Shark Tank
I agree... total money pit. Just don't know how i'd survive without Dragon's Den.
They enjoy the concept of watching their home team play at 7pm local time on saturday night (like Americans are comfortable with watching their NFL team play sunday afternoon). The brand name of that 7 to 9:45 time slot does not factor into the decision of watching their hockey game at that time.
You can make the same arguement for anything canadian!There was a time when the CBC was necessary to ensure that Canadians had cultural representation, and that time as 20 years ago.
Please spare me the CBC is a "cultural icon" or a "canadian institution" pleas. Those arguments are baseless. What the CBC has done in the past has surely made an impact on Candian culture and values, however at this point its cultural impact is non-existent. Candian Culture has indeed changed, and the delivery of content in Canada no longer requires a public broadcaster for people to find Canadian content. They can go on the internet and find it themselves. The problem lies in that most Canadian content these days is of terrible quality, so intead of funding the CBC with $950M every year, the federal government should go to the PBS/NPR model of the states, maintain their radio footprint and divert that money to arts programs in Canada so we can produce some programming that is actually competitive in the Canadian and international markets.
Step 1 of this process will be when the NHL takes the truck full of money that CTV/Rogers (whoever wants it more) dumps in Gary's lap. It is going to happen, remember there was a time when people couldnt imagine the Olympics not being broadcast on the CBC. CTV would happily broadcast HNIC using TSN talent and branding every Saturday night, and when the playoffs roll around Sportsnet and TSN will be able able to offer better coverage using their multiple channel listings.
With the nhl rights up in 2014 there are some that think tsn and sportsnet will make a major pitch for the rights.
Rights to the Saturday games not to the name "Hockey Night In Canada". It's much like Radio-Canada losing their Saturday nights game rights to RDS. "La Soirée du Hockey" is now "Le Hockey Du Samedi Soir"
Lets just say tsn offers the nhl a massive offer are you saying no matter what the league should stick with cbc.
Well said. Dowbiggin is an amateur like journalist who is an ex CBC employee. He is still upset that he is no longer with the corporation and all he writes is stuff that is already known to the public. His blog is nothing new or earth shattering.I'm not commenting regarding my position on the matter, and frankly I'm fairly ambivalent re the CBC. The said, the premise of this entire thread is an article written about the CBC, an article written by a staff writer with the Globe and Mail - owned by CTV, who happen to a competitor.
I dunno, maybe the people who have been loyal to it since 1952.
CBC's advantage is that they are still willing to devote virtually all of their primetime schedule to the NHL during playoff time. CTV is not likely to do that since they mostly exist to rebroadcast US TV shows that they have purchased the rights for.
CBC's advantage is also that their broadcasts are available to US households along the US/Canada border. The disadvantage to all of these channels is that none of them have made the trek into US Cable or Satellite systems yet.
The license fee is nothing but a direct tax... instead of appropriating tax funds for the BBC, the British government taxes people up front if they want to watch TV (or listen to the radio) with the express knowledge that all of the money is going to the Beeb. So it's still the people who are paying, the only real difference is in Canada you still have to support CBC if you don't own a TV whereas in Britain you only have to pay for the BBC if you want to watch television.
BBC TV has no commercials. CBC TV does. BBC charges a license fee for anyone that has a TV. CBC does not.
The CBC was popular with American viewers during the Olympics since the Mother Corp would carry events live, rather than on delay like NBC. The problem was that the Olympics got so big that you couldn’t use just one network to broadcast the event. The CBC ended up teaming with TSN to help ensure that the games got full coverage. It’s unlikely that the CBC will get the Olympics back since the CTV/TSN group can provide the necessary coverage that would be expected of them by the COA and IOC. In terms of the MLS contract, most of the games they broadcast were afternoon/early evening games on a Saturday. MLS certainly believes that it can get some prime time from TSN, even if it winds up on TSN2. I was actually quite pleased with the CTV/TSN coverage of the Vancouver Olympics.
The major issue is that the CBC hasn’t been able to find a winning formula to make its sports system work in the modern era. The way Chris Cuthbert was laid off by the CBC during the last lockout was indicative of the problems with CBC. He ended up being hired by TSN to do the same thing he did on CBC (NHL and CFL). Then, the head of sports left to head up the broadcasting efforts for Vancouver. They tried the Jays and Raptors, which still have some great pull, but they didn’t translate even onto the CBC broadcasts.
Many would look at the same issues coming back at the CBC for its regular broadcasting. While Brodie makes the CBC/BBC comparison, the funding system is much different. The BBC gets funded by a separate TV License that has to paid by all households in the UK. The only exception is the World Service, which gets funding from the UK Foreign Office. Most of the Canadian shows get financial support in one form or another, which doesn’t hurt their finance, they often don’t last more than a couple of seasons. Radio still does well since it takes a different method (local, rather than national) in comparison to television.
Despite this, CBC should hold onto HNIC for the foreseeable future. CTV doesn’t mind having its sked upset by the Olympics, since it temporary and only and issue with the Winter Games. The playoffs would require CTV to give up other programming during the sweeps period. Shaw/Global isn’t in a position to push since they don’t have a sports property. They could buy the score, but there are still issues on its license about how much live programming it can do.
The CBC is there to serve a purpose...out-bidding TSN and Sportsnet for big events, in my opinion, isn't one of them.
The CBC never pre-empts any of their licensed broadcasts. Nothing plays second fidle to hockey on CBC. TSN is notorious for either not broadcasting or not broadcasting the entirety of a game they have the rights to broadcast. If something they seem 'better' comes along they will shut down the NHL game.
Politics aside, the CBC and the HNIC Canada franchise is anything but passe. It would be a disaster if CTV/TSN had the monopoly on Canadian NHL broadcasting rights. On the production side of the coin, the CBC are the kings of the hockey broadcast and editing. From the montages to the actual action they are the leaders.
I agree that the CBC as an organization is a mess. Over-run budgets, back room shenanigans and a deffinate taxpayer boondogle. If we examine the HNIC franchise on its own, it is a success and the crown jewel of hockey broadcasting for the NHL.
I don't know if i would go as far as saying it would be a disater as for cbc are the kins i would not go that far.What i would like to see is the nhl and cbc work out a deal where cbc gets the rights to the leafs and montreal and allow every other canadian team to work out there own deals.
American viewers are targeted by advertisers. Maybe not directly (it's not like we can all rush out and play Roll up the Rim to Win if we want to), but it sure as hell doesn't hurt to have people in Detroit, Seattle and Buffalo (which would be the 2nd, 3rd and 5th largest metro areas in Canada, respectively) watching. And plenty of us do watch HNIC.
It's similar to stations in Buffalo that can be seen in the GTA... their FOX affiliate doesn't even air a local news because advertisers are hot to attract cross border traffic and will pay premiums for spots on syndicated shows that might be seen by ~5 million people.
Each team does work on their own local broadcasting deals. The National broadcasting rights are a whole different situation.
Notorious? I don't ever remember TSN pre-empting an NHL game for some other sporting event. Switching which game they cover, yes, but they haven't even done that in some years now. I think it was 10-15 years ago, they switched from a western game (forget if it was Oilers or Flames) to a Leafs game during the stretch run and they got so bombarded with emails, phone calls, etc from their western viewers that they apologized on-air and promised they wouldn't do it again.The CBC never pre-empts any of their licensed broadcasts. Nothing plays second fidle to hockey on CBC. TSN is notorious for either not broadcasting or not broadcasting the entirety of a game they have the rights to broadcast. If something they seem 'better' comes along they will shut down the NHL game.