CBC’s sports operations dwindle toward extinction

saskganesh

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CBC does tremendous stuff with live streaming including all of HNIC. I don't see their private sector competitors providing the same service.

However, if there is a way to have Don Cherry retired I would be all for it.
 

wjhl2009fan

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CBC does tremendous stuff with live streaming including all of HNIC. I don't see their private sector competitors providing the same service.

However, if there is a way to have Don Cherry retired I would be all for it.

Yes private sectors do provide streaming ctv and global have almost every show online tsn and sportsnet offer a fair amount of streaming as well.
 

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Can someone tell me why CBC is using taxpayer money to bid on sport broadcasting rights? Bidding against other taxpayers with their own money?

I would be fairly pissed off if I were a shareholder of one of the private media corporations and my double dipped tax money (corp profit tax, then dividend tax) was also being used to fund my competition (make that triple dipped!!)...

Time for CBC to stop acting like a real company, competing with private corporations and trying to make profits. It should be working within its budget to be a solely an incubator of Canadian talent, and promoter of said Canadian homegrown content and other Canadian historical/cultural programs. Major league pro-sports & American re-broadcasts/syndication do not fall into this mandate.
 

borno87

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There was a time when the CBC was necessary to ensure that Canadians had cultural representation, and that time as 20 years ago.

Please spare me the CBC is a "cultural icon" or a "canadian institution" pleas. Those arguments are baseless. What the CBC has done in the past has surely made an impact on Candian culture and values, however at this point its cultural impact is non-existent. Candian Culture has indeed changed, and the delivery of content in Canada no longer requires a public broadcaster for people to find Canadian content. They can go on the internet and find it themselves. The problem lies in that most Canadian content these days is of terrible quality, so intead of funding the CBC with $950M every year, the federal government should go to the PBS/NPR model of the states, maintain their radio footprint and divert that money to arts programs in Canada so we can produce some programming that is actually competitive in the Canadian and international markets.

Step 1 of this process will be when the NHL takes the truck full of money that CTV/Rogers (whoever wants it more) dumps in Gary's lap. It is going to happen, remember there was a time when people couldnt imagine the Olympics not being broadcast on the CBC. CTV would happily broadcast HNIC using TSN talent and branding every Saturday night, and when the playoffs roll around Sportsnet and TSN will be able able to offer better coverage using their multiple channel listings.
 

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MLS was a good option for CBC. With two more Canadian teams joining the league, they could easily come up with some sort of "Soccer Day in Canada" package for the summer.

Apparently they've been doing it since 2007 when the FIFA U20 championship came to Canada. Yeah, I didn't know either, despite they claims of some, soccer continues to have no resonance with most people in Canada. CBC is fortunate to be rid of it...
 

Fire Sweeney

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I loathe the CBC and resent my taxes having to pay for their appalling shows...that being said, the only good thing on that network is HNIC...that would be a shame to see that end...as for ending the CBC otherwise, I am all for it!!

Exactly, if anything they should cancel all the left-wing propaganda they air.
 

Evil Doctor

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If Monday Night Football can move to ESPN, there's no reason HNIC can't move to TSN.

Well except for the fact that ESPN and ABC are apart of the same company, thus moving the brand is easy. BellGlobe Media would have purchase the rights to the brand "Hockey Night In Canada" from the CBC, and unless it's an insane amount of money, I doubt we will see it happen...
 

wjhl2009fan

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Well except for the fact that ESPN and ABC are apart of the same company, thus moving the brand is easy. BellGlobe Media would have purchase the rights to the brand "Hockey Night In Canada" from the CBC, and unless it's an insane amount of money, I doubt we will see it happen...

With the nhl rights up in 2014 there are some that think tsn and sportsnet will make a major pitch for the rights.
 

AllByDesign

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There comedy programming is legendary. No arguments their. Their dramas' & family oriented programming is uniquely Canadian & I appreciate most of it, even made/make a few bucks off The Old Mother, but c'mon, enoughs enuff. Its like owning a vintage yacht. Just a hole in the water where all the money goes. And, well, that just kinda makes me cry.

I agree... total money pit. Just don't know how i'd survive without Dragon's Den.
 

tarheelhockey

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Well except for the fact that ESPN and ABC are apart of the same company, thus moving the brand is easy. BellGlobe Media would have purchase the rights to the brand "Hockey Night In Canada" from the CBC, and unless it's an insane amount of money, I doubt we will see it happen...

I just mean from a cultural standpoint, I wouldn't put it past any company to sell off their most venerable institution.
 

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I just mean from a cultural standpoint, I wouldn't put it past any company to sell off their most venerable institution.

lol who cares about the title name of a regularly scheduled sport game time slot??
 

Jonas1235

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Honestly, I can't wait until CBC loses HNIC. Eventually it will happen, there's no way the NHL will keep giving them a discount every time their contract comes up. I believe their current contract gives the NHL 100 million per season. The value of that contract right now is probably twice that. With the NHL growing rapidly since the lockout.

I think it's only a matter of time till they say, we will only take the biggest bid for those games and there is no way in hell the CBC can give more than they currently do.

Give all NHL games to the CTV consortium and they'll be able to cross promote the hell out of it and market it the way they do other programs. The Superbowl had over 7.5 million viewers on CTV, with two teams that are historic, but not exactly Cowboys/Giants. Imagine what they'd get for the Stanley Cup Finals if they had all the games and were able to market it WAY better than the CBC.

Sportsnet would be able to get all the regional games, TSN would get the national games, TSN2 would get the secondary national games like the NBC/Versus games. And maybe put a dozen games on CTV during the season.

Have all playoff games on tv, the major games on CTV. It would be freaking epic.

Not to mention the mix of personalities that they could have on-air.

It will happen someday. I personally can't wait.
 

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It's just like American programming back in the day, CBC doesn't have the funding to keep up and they shouldn't try. As long as they can keep HNIC, it doesn't really matter... and I'm sure the NHL wouldn't allow that to die, even if it means splitting their Canadian broadcast TV contract.

MLS was a good option for CBC. With two more Canadian teams joining the league, they could easily come up with some sort of "Soccer Day in Canada" package for the summer.

But, will CBC have the money to outbid TSN/Rogers/Shaw for the rights to hockey?
 

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I dunno, maybe the people who have been loyal to it since 1952.

They enjoy the concept of watching their home team play at 7pm local time on saturday night (like Americans are comfortable with watching their NFL team play sunday afternoon). The brand name of that 7 to 9:45 time slot does not factor into the decision of watching their hockey game at that time.
 

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It's inevitable that that they lose NHL rights. They lost almost everything else. Nothing good lasts forever. Times change, and it's time to pass the torch over.
 

Gump Hasek

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I'm not commenting regarding my position on the matter, and frankly I'm fairly ambivalent re the CBC. The said, the premise of this entire thread is an article written about the CBC, an article written by a staff writer with the Globe and Mail - owned by CTV, who happen to a competitor.

Regardless of whether or not the level of competition between the two is fair, frankly, HNIC is a wildly successful property and as an individual entity CTV would of course certainly wish to own that individual broadcast vehicle. So the article is more than a tad biased when viewed from that perspective. It is nearly akin to having a mergers and acquisitions specialist write an article about a potential takeover target; "they suck, but if the truth were to be known, we'd love a piece of that action!"
 

DopeyFish

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Sorry dudes, but giving up CBC? Lol. The other stations have no tradition, or value.

TSN or Sportsnet usually shy away from opening ceremonies and anthems

Sportsnet went to commercial break during a moment of silence...

While TSN is semi close to CBC in neutrality and hockey knowledge, CBC smokes them in presentation and integrity. CBC doesn't tip toe around issues in the game and tells it like it is.

Once the big boys (leafs, habs) both consistently make the playoffs... CBC will be rolling in money
 

Confucius

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So I guess the rural folk who still use over the air antennas will be S O L

NHL is moving more and more towards afternoon playoff games anyway, CBC wasn't getting as much prime time programming as they'd like.
 

Jamin

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CBC receives under $1 billion a year. Just for the sake of comparison, considering their similar mandate, the BBC receives $5 billion in government funds. The CBC's federal funding puts it on par with the amount received by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and RTE in Ireland, so it's not like CBC has an institutional advantage by getting government funds. CTV has revenues of $2.2 billion while Canwest Global posted $2.8 billion at last check.




Oh yes, the 4 or 5 imported shows CBC airs and the movies that take up a grand total of 3 hours of air time a day. Compare how much Canadian content they produce to Global, who had a grand total of one Canadian show on their primetime lineup last fall.

Most Canadians dismiss 90% of all Canadian content on any channel, so your latter point is hardly surprising.

If canadian content didnt have a history of being pathetic maybe it wouldnt be dismissed. I wish we didnt have to have a certain percentage of shows in canada be canadian made it ruins the selection on netflix when they cant add shows without adding canadian content...at least i can stream Being Erica
 

wjhl2009fan

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Sorry dudes, but giving up CBC? Lol. The other stations have no tradition, or value.

TSN or Sportsnet usually shy away from opening ceremonies and anthems

Sportsnet went to commercial break during a moment of silence...

While TSN is semi close to CBC in neutrality and hockey knowledge, CBC smokes them in presentation and integrity. CBC doesn't tip toe around issues in the game and tells it like it is.

Once the big boys (leafs, habs) both consistently make the playoffs... CBC will be rolling in money

Thats part of the issue is cbc does not tip toe around things that is what some people get upset with.I would not say cbc is neutrality they try to be but most times it does not end up that way.It will be a challenge for cbc to win the rights again in 2014 i think tsn and sportsnet will make massive pushes so much so cbc may not be able to match.
 

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