Stutzles is 19 and kk 20.That would be a good example if kotkaniemi was outproducing stuzle but he's not. Stützle has almost 50% more points while being a couple years younger.
Terrible comparison.
Stutzles is 19 and kk 20.
Production doesnt really matter here, especially with the two 2019 picks and their small sample size.
Kotkaniemi was a month away from the 2019 draft.Sorry I thought they were 2 drafts apart.
Kotkaniemi was a month away from the 2019 draft.
You said a couple years younger, that is factually incorect. A couple years is 24 months.Oh, so they ARE two drafts and two birth years apart???
Why did you quote me to nit pick if what I said was correct.
Every organization in the league has a Shane Pinto type prospect.
Every organization in the league has a Shane Pinto type prospect.
I'd say Sean Farrell has a better chance of being a star player then him.
You said a couple years younger, that is factually incorect. A couple years is 24 months.
I am not saying that every team has a player who plays the game the same way as Pinto I am saying every team has a prospect with his projected ceiling of a 2nd/3rd line player. Caufield projects as one of the best goal scorers in the NHL at his ceiling.
Pinto is fine but as I said, he looks a lot like Danault to me.
I'd say Sean Farrell has a better chance of being a star player then him.
Yes but Caufield is a different player. It would be like comparing Kotkaniemi to Stutzle, both great player but one is clearly a better player and only a clear homer would say otherwise.
On the ice Kotkaniemi may have "similar" value because of two way play and physicality, but Stutzles offensive ability is special.
Don't be a homer, nobody likes that.
Ive loved Pinto for years now. He made my top 20 draft list in 2019. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a low-end 60 pts 2way 1C.That's the thing about being a homer, you don't bother to look at any other player, just the guy your horse is hitched to. As a Sens fan, it's obvious Caufield is going to be a good player for a long time, but again, as a Sens fan, I've seen Pinto up close for 1/6th of a season and to dismiss him so easily is to be wearing homer goggles.
Do I think Pinto will be better? I don't know, it's a little early for a poll like this. I like his aggressive style, his absolutely amazing defensive positioning, his penchant to keep pucks in and distribute them, his tenacity on the forecheck. I like everything about him basically. But again, you need to lay down the homer goggles and look at both players for a year or two before you make any kind of decision, not make silly comparisons because it suits you.
It would have saved me some time and a post if you had said that to begin with instead of what came off as total homerism.Ive loved Pinto for years now. He made my top 20 draft list in 2019. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a low-end 60 pts 2way 1C.
Still, thats Cole Caufield were talking about, kid scores goals and he does so at an elite level. Just the fact that I think so highly of Pinto should tell you how good I think Caufields going to be.
Same way people who said Toews was better than Kane were wrong. Offensive production at an elite level trumps all.
I never said he was the same I said he has a higher ceiling and I think, when analyzing prospects, the ceiling is where we should be looking as opposed to the floor. Pinto looks like a solid player in the Lars Eller/Phil Danault mold. Can play up in the lineup but likely a 3C on a contender.
Pinto has never dominated at any level in terms of production I seriously doubt he is going to start at the NHL level and all of a sudden turn into a legit top centre. Obviously there's a small chance like anything in sports, but I'd wager it's a very small chance.
Don't be a homer, nobody likes that.
What if I just thought (and still think) Josh Brook is a very good prospect ? I also had Nic Hague and Pavel Dorofeyev in the top 15 that year, whats up with that ? Am I a Vegas homer ?Arent you the guy who had Josh Brook as a top 10 prospect in the NHL?
Pot meet kettle.
You can be a homer, but don’t act like you’re above it.
Caufield has 5 pts in his last 7 games, hes hardly a question mark.
Every organization in the league has a Shane Pinto type prospect.
I'm not sure how many Cole Caufield's exist in prospect pools across the league tbh.
I am not saying that every team has a player who plays the game the same way as Pinto I am saying every team has a prospect with his projected ceiling of a 2nd/3rd line player. Caufield projects as one of the best goal scorers in the NHL at his ceiling.
Pinto is fine but as I said, he looks a lot like Danault to me.
I don't think Pinto's ceiling is a 2nd/3rd line player at all. Danault is a reasonable outcome for Pinto, but its not his ceiling... just like Caufield could very reasonably develop into little more than a Mike Hoffman-type player, but has higher upside.
Pinto's technical ability and hockey IQ are through the roof. There are many Sens fans who see him as our eventual 1C. When you reduce players to broad categories like you're doing, it lacks any nuance whatsoever. What if Pinto becomes a Ryan OReilly type? How good does Caufield have to be to be better than him then?
Pinto is producing more offense at the NHL level, is more well rounded, and has the size to be more effective.
At this point you gotta think it's him unless something changes.
Caufield was a better college player though but that's neither here nor there.