Well, age has made me lazy. So, good point. I think I am a little further in writing him off than you...and my belief is, I don't see a contender selling their future for a guy with a lot of miles on him. And I think Kipper is a good goalie but like Iginla, I believe he is past his due date. If the Flames ownership had any sense they never would have bought into Feaster's re-build on the fly plan. If they had've cleaned house about three years ago, they would at least have a young and possibly exciting franchise future today. And it sucks to lose the way Edmonton has the last few seasons, but at least there is some evidence that they could have a playoff team in another couple of years. Calgary hasn't hit bottom yet, but they are inches away. They are looking at a lot of dark years in the wilderness.