Value of: Carter+Muzzin/Martinez to Flyers

[duffy9748]

What would it take to get Carter and one of Muzzin or Martinez to the Flyers? Flyers could afford to move draft picks and have a number of prospects who could be made available.

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[Kingspiracy]

Not sure if LA would move two guys just yet, but i'd be looking at a mid 1st + decent prospect for Carter, a mid 1st for Muzzin and a mid 2nd + for Martinez as a rough value (whether thats in prospects or picks)

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

Until the Flyers get their goaltending in order, trading a 1st for a 33 year old centre has to be one of the last things Hextall would even consider doing.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Stay the course Flyers.
It takes time. But it works.

 

[Starat327]

The flyers are not allowed to make any trades until they fix the problem behind the bench. You dont give your kids new toys if it cant even play with the ones it has.

 

[captainpaxil]

I've said before I'd do Vorobyev+ for carter. Carter could slot in now at 2c will eventually be passed by Patrick and if they slow cook frost the way they have other prospects he'll be coming up around the end of carters deal. As a scoring center carter has always been a challenge to find the right guys to play with i just think jvr and voracek are those guys

 

[Broad Street Buddies]

I really like Carter but as of right now, I don’t want to diminish the ice time of our future Selke-nominee Nolan Patrick.

NP play (plays? does it take an ‘s’?) well in both zones, he kill(s?) it in the faceoff circle and his line (Lindblom - NP - Voracek) is a constant offensive threat.

I would rather wait 1-2 years and try to acquire Carter to be our 3C on a contending team.

About Muzzin/Martinez, do they mostly play as LD or on their off side? Second or third pairing?

 

[Flyerfan47]

Not sure if LA would move two guys just yet, but i'd be looking at a mid 1st + decent prospect for Carter, a mid 1st for Muzzin and a mid 2nd + for Martinez as a rough value (whether thats in prospects or picks)

Mid 1st and a prospect for a 33 y/o ? Ummm, NO.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Mid 1st and a prospect for a 33 y/o ? Ummm, NO.

That's not bad if he's healthy, he's on a good contract for 3 more seasons.

 

[CapnZin]

Mid 1st and a prospect for a 33 y/o ? Ummm, NO.

The likely return for Jeff Carter is a 1st + A level Prospect.

Carter is a real good player.

This premise of trying to contend without two really gold pieces (goaltending and a coach) spells disaster

 

[typicalsavage]

I really like Carter but as of right now, I don’t want to diminish the ice time of our future Selke-nominee Nolan Patrick.

NP play (plays? does it take an ‘s’?) well in both zones, he kill(s?) it in the faceoff circle and his line (Lindblom - NP - Voracek) is a constant offensive threat.

I would rather wait 1-2 years and try to acquire Carter to be our 3C on a contending team.

About Muzzin/Martinez, do they mostly play as LD or on their off side? Second or third pairing?

Future Selke Nominee? Thats a joke right?

 

[Broad Street Buddies]

Future Selke Nominee? Thats a joke right?

I do jokes about A LOT of things but Nolan Patrick isn’t one of them.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I really like Carter but as of right now, I don’t want to diminish the ice time of our future Selke-nominee Nolan Patrick.

NP play (plays? does it take an ‘s’?) well in both zones, he kill(s?) it in the faceoff circle and his line (Lindblom - NP - Voracek) is a constant offensive threat.

I would rather wait 1-2 years and try to acquire Carter to be our 3C on a contending team.

About Muzzin/Martinez, do they mostly play as LD or on their off side? Second or third pairing?

Both are LD although Martinez can play RD and has been for us for a while now. They are both second pairing Dmen, Muzzin as a 3 and Martinez as a 4.

Mid 1st and a prospect for a 33 y/o ? Ummm, NO.

I don't think that is an unrealistic ask unless Carter completely shits the bed this year. He scored 13 goals in 27 games last year coming back from his laceration, he has 4 for us this year. It may be a risk for the team picking him up as he does age but he is still a top talent.

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[typicalsavage]

I do jokes about A LOT of things but Nolan Patrick isn’t one of them.

He played for the junior team in my area. He's never dominated junior defensively, I don't know how you can believe he would in the NHL. Patrick won't even be the best defensive forward on his team. Especially when there are guys like Barkov, Point, W.Karlsson, ROR on top of the usual suspects in Kopitar, Bergeron, Couturier and guys like McDavid, Matthews who are both underrated defensively because of their elite offence.

 

[dats81]

No interest in aging Jeff Carter and the way they once shipped him out to CLB and how he took it, I' believe Philly would be the last place for him to return to if he had a say in that.

Muzzin could make sense if he finds his game after a change of scenery. A Veteran D on a reasonable contract is what could help to stabilize the Flyers' defense. Could be paired with Ghost on the second pairing.
Would a 2019 first (top-5 protected) do it?

 

[deaderhead28]

No interest in aging Jeff Carter and the way they once shipped him out to CLB and how he took it, I' believe Philly would be the last place for him to return to if he had a say in that.

Muzzin could make sense if he finds his game after a change of scenery. A Veteran D on a reasonable contract is what could help to stabilize the Flyers' defense. Could be paired with Ghost on the second pairing.
Would a 2019 first (top-5 protected) do it?

Why would the Kings give away a top 4 defensemen on a good deal for a protected top 5 pick without Philadelphia adding?

 

[north49er]

Not sure if LA would move two guys just yet, but i'd be looking at a mid 1st + decent prospect for Carter, a mid 1st for Muzzin and a mid 2nd + for Martinez as a rough value (whether thats in prospects or picks)

The Flyers want to get better not older.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Why would the Flyers do this? Makes no sense

 

[Starat327]

Why would the Kings give away a top 4 defensemen on a good deal for a protected top 5 pick without Philadelphia adding?

...because they feel bad the GM they got from you is taking so long to fire the worst coach in the NHL? Like... a pity trade?

 

[HyPnOtiK]

Future Selke Nominee? Thats a joke right?

Its not that Farfetched. His pre draft player comparisons by scouts were guys like Brindamour, more offensive Jordan Staal and the one I see most, Kopitar.

Its gonna be hard for him to win with Couturier on his team so I wouldn't bet on it but he's undoubtedly the best defensive forward in his draft

 

[YP44]

The Flyers want to get better not older.

the two things can be the same no?

 

[north49er]

...because they feel bad the GM they got from you is taking so long to fire the worst coach in the NHL? Like... a pity trade?

The worst coach in the NHL was fired on Sunday.

 

[YP44]

No interest in aging Jeff Carter and the way they once shipped him out to CLB and how he took it, I' believe Philly would be the last place for him to return to if he had a say in that.

Muzzin could make sense if he finds his game after a change of scenery. A Veteran D on a reasonable contract is what could help to stabilize the Flyers' defense. Could be paired with Ghost on the second pairing.
Would a 2019 first (top-5 protected) do it?

Would rather have a player that is getting closer to playing significant minutes.

Myers + 2nd?
Sanheim + 3rd?

 

[Broad Street Buddies]

Would rather have a player that is getting closer to playing significant minutes.

Myers + 2nd?
Sanheim + 3rd?

Neither are available unless Doughty is involve in the deal.

 

[YP44]

Neither are available unless Doughty is involve in the deal.

Man you would think I said Provorov or Ghost!!

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Sanheim and Meyers look good but Muzzin is already developed and would help the flyers now, and be an upgrade now.