GDT: Carolina Panthers part 2: Is Darnold good or not?

[Tryamw]

Bridgewater down Bridgewater down on a cheap ass hit.

 

[HisIceness]

The Panthers are never sweeping the Falcons again, I don't even know the last time they did that, if ever.

Edit: Has happened 3 times.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Notable difference between hit on Bridgewater and Dalton.
Panthers reacted to it.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Notable difference between hit on Bridgewater and Dalton.
Panthers reacted to it.

I thought the hits were worlds apart....the one on Dalton was as he was sliding, the one on Bridgewater he was still up, struggling to get yardage...I didn’t even like calling a penalty, much less kicking the guy out of the game.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

I thought the hits were worlds apart....the one on Dalton was as he was sliding, the one on Bridgewater he was still up, struggling to get yardage...I didn’t even like calling a penalty, much less kicking the guy out of the game.

Which makes the difference even bigger.

 

[Panthaz89]

It would not be so frustrating to watch if the D coordinator had a brain

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

It would not be so frustrating to watch if the D coordinator had a brain

It's hard to put it on the DC when there is so little talent on this defense. We have Burns who is still young and coming into his own. Then Brown/Chinn who are rookies and flash at times, but still play like rookies. And who else?

 

[Panthaz89]

It's hard to put it on the DC when there is so little talent on this defense. We have Burns who is still young and coming into his own. Then Brown/Chinn who are rookies and flash at times, but still play like rookies. And who else?

Our opponents don't even punt the ball....2 punts in the past 4 weeks 2 games where the other team literally didn't even punt.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Our opponents don't even punt the ball....2 punts in the past 4 weeks 2 games where the other team literally didn't even punt.

I understand that and I agree it's completely putrid. Was not a fan of the Snow hire, but going into this season with this roster on D I completely expected the D to be by far the worst in the league. It's been better than that. I think it's fair to see what Snow can do with a more talented roster before getting rid of him.

 

[HisIceness]

That 98 yard TD they gave up was awful.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

 

[Canes]

That 98 yard TD they gave up was awful.

When we pinned it inside their 2 yard line, I had a feeling they would get a long TD either passing or rushing. Our defense is just not good and won't be for another 2-3 draft/free agency cycles, that's just how bad they are. Shaq really has no room to talk either. While he's still one of our best defensive players, that says more about our defense than anything, and he still isn't performing up to his extension. I'm almost ready to give Rhule full autonomy as both coach and GM, might as well given how much we're paying him. Hurney needs to go elsewhere in the org til he retires, no more roster input other than 1st round picks.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

What's the gridiron term for shutout? And Browns are second in their division with 7-3. Dolphins, Raiders, and Colts are all 6-3 so it's a tight race for the 5-7 seed.

Also, the Eagles lead the TANK division with a record that would give them last place in both NFC North and West...

This means the only team with a worse record than any NFC East team in the rest of NFC are as of now the Falcons. If they didn't choke against the Cowboys...

 

[tarheelhockey]

LOLions

That was the Panthers' first shutout since they blew up the Falcons in 2015.

It's obviously a longshot to think wild card, but next two games are against 4-6 Minnesota and 4-6 Denver. Winning those would put them right in the thick of things.

 

[Stickpucker]

Denver has no offense, I think we can grind out a 21-14 win over them. Minny has a pretty damn good offense and bad defense. We lose 31-28.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Denver has no offense, I think we can grind out a 21-14 win over them. Minny has a pretty damn good offense and bad defense. We lose 31-28.

Almost got Minnesota exactly right.

 

[Panthaz89]

Almost got Minnesota exactly right.

Chinn 14 rest of Panthers 13 Teddy hits Moore wide open in the end zone and we easily win the game at that moment. They should of just stuck with Walker.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Chinn 14 rest of Panthers 13 Teddy hits Moore wide open in the end zone and we easily win the game at that moment. They should of just stuck with Walker.

Eh, it's not like Panthers play expecting to win something big this year.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Chinn 14 rest of Panthers 13 Teddy hits Moore wide open in the end zone and we easily win the game at that moment. They should of just stuck with Walker.

I've seen enough from Teddy, he is 100% NOT the long term solution at QB here. I'm cool with him starting next season if we draft a young QB, but we need to plan on replacing him sooner rather than later. And PJ is not the answer either, though I do think it would make sense to see what we have in him in December.

Chinn is the absolute man! Such a great draft pick and a great core building block on D. I think we're going to be a playoff team as soon as next year. Will probably be a few years before we're a realistic contender and we probably need a QB for that, but I still like the direction this team is heading. Rhule has had some bad rookie coach mistakes this year for sure but I still like what he's done here overall with a young rebuilding roster.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The idea of Teddy Bridgewater as a long-term QB is kind of sickening. We're talking about a 28-year-old who has never been ranked by anyone among the upper half of starters in the league.

Not throwing the guy under the bus, because he's a serviceable starter if there's not a star waiting in the wings. But come on, who builds around this type of player?

 

[Canes]

Teddy wouldn't be so bad if they weren't paying him 20 million a year. He's 12-15 million dollar QB at best. But yeah, it has been painful watching him play QB, especially during crunch time. I'd literally rather have Clausen back so we could have locked into Lawrence or Fields but instead we'll end up just outside the top 5 and draft a LB or Kyle Trask.

One of the easiest pitch and catch TDs you can have in the NFL and Teddy threw it 5 yards behind Moore. Dude is awful. Then after the game he deflects blame by saying he probably should have audibled into a running play. WTF, no dude, make the easy throws even Kyle Allen could make.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Are there any $12-15 million quarterbacks tho? I feel like it’s 20+, or a guy like Dalton ($7 million) or Winston ($1 million).

 

[Canes]

Are there any $12-15 million quarterbacks tho? I feel like it’s 20+, or a guy like Dalton ($7 million) or Winston ($1 million).

I've heard this "rebuttal" parroted over and over. The point is that they should have not paid 20 million. He literally only had real interest from 2-3 teams, he chose the Panthers because he wanted to basically be handed the starting job because the other teams interested were going to make him compete for it which should drove his value down even more (because no team that's not even sure he's going to be their starting QB is going to offer what the Panthers did). But Joe Brady laughably thinks he's a franchise QB and Bridgewater has been running Brady/Payton's offense since before Brady coached for the Saints, so we vastly overpaid him.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I've heard this "rebuttal" parroted over and over. The point is that they should have not paid 20 million. He literally only had real interest from 2-3 teams, he chose the Panthers because he wanted to basically be handed the starting job because the other teams interested were going to make him compete for it which should drove his value down even more (because no team that's not even sure he's going to be their starting QB is going to offer what the Panthers did). But Joe Brady laughably thinks he's a franchise QB and Bridgewater has been running Brady/Payton's offense since before Brady coached for the Saints, so we vastly overpaid him.

Alright, alright, calm down, *I* didn’t pay him the money.

My point is, there are guys on entry level deals, and there are guys on “their next deal.” All are starters. Bridgewater IS a starting QB in the league...meaning, he’s one of the best 32.

A lot of the NFL’s realities in terms of quarterback don’t make sense. For example, why, before Mahomes’ contract extension was announced, was Dak Prescott going to sign for the most money ever? Same reason why Flacco, then Goff, then Wentz were all at one time or another the highest paid player in the league. I can’t explain WHY it works this way, other than maybe they have their teams over a barrel, because the cost of replacing them is literally tearing it down and starting over.

One day, I’d love for a player, and I was hoping (selfishly) it would be Dak, to thumb his nose at the PA and take a whole lot less money than market value ..... because being a highly paid QB is awesome ..... but it’s probably MORE awesome to be paid *well* AND win. And that’s something that very few of the highest paid guys do .... because it’s ridiculously hard to build around someone who occupies so much of a team’s cap space.

So uhhhhh yeah...Bridgewater...just a stop gap.

 

[Stickpucker]

Are there any $12-15 million quarterbacks tho? I feel like it’s 20+, or a guy like Dalton ($7 million) or Winston ($1 million).

From a pure entertainment perspective I think Winston is more fun to watch than Teddy. Why not get Jameis, save 19m, and have a more fun product while getting a higher pick?