Carlson on pace to rival best ever D-man assist numbers (outside of Orr and Coffey)

[Trap Jesus]

With 55 assists and 35 primary assists in 59 games, he's on pace for 76 assists and 49 primary assists. The best ever seasons for D-men for these numbers are:

Total Assists

1. 70/71 Orr - 102
2. 85/85 Coffey - 90
3. 73/74 Orr - 90
4. 74/75 Orr - 89
5. 69/70 Orr - 87
6. 83/84 Coffey - 86
7. 84/85 Coffey - 84
8. 88/89 Coffey - 83
9. 91/92 Leetch - 80
10. 71/72 Orr - 80
11. 92/93 Housley - 79
12. 93/94 Zubov - 77
13. 90/91 MacInnis - 75
14. 92/93 Coffey - 75
15. 89/90 Coffey - 74

Primary Assists

1. 85/86 Coffey - 56
2. 88/89 Coffey - 56
3. 69/70 Orr - 51
4. 90/91 Coffey - 50
5. 92/93 Housley - 50
6. 70/71 Orr - 49
7. 73/74 Orr - 46
8. 83/84 Coffey - 45
9. 91/92 Housley - 44
10. 90/91 Leetch - 42

It looks like he has a very realistic shot to put up the best ever numbers in both categories excluding Orr and Coffey. It also doesn't seem like a complete impossibility that he could go on a hot streak and have the most primary assists outright, although it's still very unlikely.

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[Kennedys]

Humm Bobby Orr had a lot of secondary assists.

 

[snipes]

I thought @JoeThorntonsRooster told us all that Carlson wasn’t good though?

Something, something expected goals against or whatever.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

I thought @JoeThorntonsRooster told us all that Carlson wasn’t good though?

Something, something expected goals against or whatever.

Yeah he does great by actual goals against.

 

[Midnight Judges]

The scary thing is that the OP isn't even adjusting and the players Carlson is stacking up against played in an NHL where scoring was 10%, 20%, and even 30% easier.

 

[Khelandros]

He's on pace for 76 assists. Putting him below Leetch, Housley and Zubov.

 

[Trap Jesus]

He's on pace for 76 assists. Putting him below Leetch, Housley and Zubov.

I said rival. When you're dealing with projections things can change quickly. He's in that ballpark.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I like how it's the best numbers that doesn't include the best numbers

 

[Trap Jesus]

I like how it's the best numbers that doesn't include the best numbers

Do you have the ability to read a full title?

 

[wetcoast]

With 55 assists and 35 primary assists in 59 games, he's on pace for 76 assists and 49 primary assists. The best ever seasons for D-men for these numbers are:

Total Assists

1. 70/71 Orr - 102
2. 85/85 Coffey - 90
3. 73/74 Orr - 90
4. 74/75 Orr - 89
5. 69/70 Orr - 87
6. 83/84 Coffey - 86
7. 84/85 Coffey - 84
8. 88/89 Coffey - 83
9. 91/92 Leetch - 80
10. 71/72 Orr - 80
11. 92/93 Housley - 79
12. 93/94 Zubov - 77
13. 90/91 MacInnis - 75
14. 92/93 Coffey - 75
15. 89/90 Coffey - 74

Primary Assists

1. 85/86 Coffey - 56
2. 88/89 Coffey - 56
3. 69/70 Orr - 51
4. 90/91 Coffey - 50
5. 92/93 Housley - 50
6. 70/71 Orr - 49
7. 73/74 Orr - 46
8. 83/84 Coffey - 45
9. 91/92 Housley - 44
10. 90/91 Leetch - 42

It looks like he has a very realistic shot to put up the best ever numbers in both categories excluding Orr and Coffey. It also doesn't seem like a complete impossibility that he could go on a hot streak and have the most primary assists outright, although it's still very unlikely.

Actually if you look at the numbers Carlson had a crazy good October and has leveled off quite a bit since then.

I have no idea on where he will end up but I would bet very good money that he won't even hit 74 assists, which is 15th on your list above.

He is on pace for 76 but that also includes his 16 assists in 14 games in October.

Since then his pace has been 39 assists in 45 games.

My bet is that he ends up with around 70 assists give or take an assist.

Still a remarkable offensive season by Carlson.

 

[DearDiary]

Do you have the ability to read a full title?

Did you know that Jagr has the most points ever in NHL history? Excluding Gretzky

 

[Trap Jesus]

Did you know that Jagr has the most points ever in NHL history? Excluding Gretzky

Read the title, everything is presented in an easy to read way with no bias or pretense that it's something that it's not. Why would I make some convoluted title about him being on pace to challenge the 3rd most points by an individual D-man in a season? Nobody would have any idea what that even meant.

It's like when people talk about Yzerman's season outside of the context of Gretzky and Lemieux. There are still impressive feats that can be accomplished, some guys are just off the boards good, like Orr and Coffey.

 

[48g90a138pts]

Who cares primary/ secondary assists. The man can still break a hundo (100) points. That would be colossal. Leetch was the last one back in 1991-92.

Orr, Housley, Coffey, MacInnis, Leetch.

What a exclusive club he would become part of.

Hope he can pull it off

 

[Satire]

I like how it's the best numbers that doesn't include the best numbers

I'm objectively and statistically the best hockey player in the world - excluding literally anyone else that plays hockey of course.

PS- Carlson is beast mode this season. Just thought the grammar and arguments were hilarious.

 

[Trap Jesus]

I'm objectively and statistically the best hockey player in the world - excluding literally anyone else that plays hockey of course.

PS- Carlson is beast mode this season. Just thought the grammar and arguments were hilarious.

What would you have titled the thread?

 

[BruinsBtn]

I don't know why this guy isn't getting Hart consideration. He's barely getting any hype at all. It's borderline disrespect at this point.

 

[lauraP]

What would you have titled the thread? This board has basically turned into reddit with the likes system. Nobody even likes to talk hockey anymore, it's just pithy remarks to get likes.

Nope, your title is misleading and people called you out on it. aside from that, carlson is having a tremendous season. he forsure has a strong case for the norris

 

[Trap Jesus]

I don't know why this guy isn't getting Hart consideration. He's barely getting any hype at all. It's borderline disrespect at this point.

When Ovechkin went on his goal-scoring run everyone started talking about him like "does he deserve to be in the Hart conversation". Meanwhile nobody talks about Carlson.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

kind of a golden age for defenceman scoring isn't it? monster years by non-karlsson level guys recently, with burns, hedman, rielly, gio, and now carlson.

another historically significant total we're on pace for is the rookie defenceman assist and points records. assuming he plays every game from now until the end of the year, hughes is on pace for 52 assists and 63 points. that's 3rd and 7th all time.

here are the leader boards.

Rk	Player	PTS	Season	Age	GP	G	A
1	Larry Murphy*	76	1980-81	19	80	16	60
2	Brian Leetch*	71	1988-89	20	68	23	48
3	Gary Suter	68	1985-86	21	80	18	50
4	Phil Housley*	66	1982-83	18	77	19	47
5	Ray Bourque*	65	1979-80	19	80	17	48
6	Chris Chelios*	64	1984-85	23	74	9	55
7	Barry Beck	60	1977-78	20	75	22	38
7	Reed Larson	60	1977-78	21	75	19	41
7	Nicklas Lidstrom*	60	1991-92	21	80	11	49
10	Stefan Persson	56	1977-78	23	66	6	50
10	Reijo Ruotsalainen	56	1981-82	21	78	18	38
10	Dale Tallon	56	1970-71	20	78	14	42
13	Denis Potvin*	54	1973-74	20	77	17	37
14	Vladimir Malakhov	52	1992-93	24	64	14	38
15	Jocelyn Guevremont	51	1971-72	20	75	13	38
16	Brian Benning	49	1986-87	20	78	13	36
16	Dion Phaneuf	49	2005-06	20	82	20	29
16	Behn Wilson	49	1978-79	20	80	13	36
19	Bryan Berard	48	1996-97	19	82	8	40
19	Tyler Myers	48	2009-10	19	82	11	37
19	Alexei Zhitnik	48	1992-93	20	78	12	36

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Rk	Player	A	Tm
1	Larry Murphy*	60	LAK
2	Chris Chelios*	55	MTL
3	Stefan Persson	50	NYI
3	Gary Suter	50	CGY
5	Nicklas Lidstrom*	49	DET
6	Ray Bourque*	48	BOS
6	Brian Leetch*	48	NYR
8	Phil Housley*	47	BUF
9	Dale Tallon	42	VAN
10	Reed Larson	41	DET
11	Bryan Berard	40	NYI
11	Janne Niinimaa	40	PHI
13	Will Butcher	39	NJD
14	Dave Babych	38	WIN
14	Barry Beck	38	CLR
14	Jocelyn Guevremont	38	VAN
14	Calle Johansson	38	BUF
14	Vladimir Malakhov	38	NYI
14	Paul Reinhart	38	ATF
14	Reijo Ruotsalainen	38	NYR
21	Ron Greschner	37	NYR
21	Quinn Hughes	37	VAN
21	Tyler Myers	37	BUF
21	Denis Potvin*	37	NYI

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and to think makar is scoring at an even higher pace...

 

[7even]

That's wild. His scoring tear to start the season was an interesting curiosity. That it's stretched so far into the season is remarkable. In my opinion it's the best storyline of the year. I haven't seen a 100pt defenseman in my lifetime.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Nope, your title is misleading and people called you out on it. aside from that, carlson is having a tremendous season. and forsure has a strong case for the norris

How is it misleading if I mention both Orr and Coffey in the literal title? It's like you don't have the attention span to read a line of text.

 

[lauraP]

How is it misleading if I mention both Orr and Coffey in the literal title? It's like you don't have the attention span to read a line of text.

that's why it's funny, it's like me making a thread like "Pastanak To win the hart (Excluding Mackinnon Mcdavid and draisaitl)

 

[93LEAFS]

The scary thing is that the OP isn't even adjusting and the players Carlson is stacking up against played in an NHL where scoring was 10%, 20%, and even 30% easier.

Scoring wasn't significantly higher in the late 60's, early 70's. I mean, in 1969-70, only one player broke 100 points, and that was Bobby Orr. Orr was first in two of those seasons, and 2nd in another. Also, keep in mind that in those seasons there were 76, 78 and 80 games respectively. 80's scoring was inflated obviously.

 

[BruinsBtn]

When Ovechkin went on his goal-scoring run everyone started talking about him like "does he deserve to be in the Hart conversation". Meanwhile nobody talks about Carlson.

It's baffling. He's on pace to dwarf any point totals Karlsson had and they were ready to build statues for EK. Plus Carlson can actually play defense.

 

[Mike8]

kind of a golden age for defenceman scoring isn't it? monster years by non-karlsson level guys recently, with burns, hedman, rielly, gio, and now carlson.

Golden age due to the talent level, or the team style/composition enabling this scoring output?