Value of: Carlo to Toronto

[easton117]

People keep forgetting Carlo is 21 years old, playing a position that takes a long time to develop to begin with. He's also 6'5 which just ADDS to that time.

Having watched him many times I have no qualms about him being a steady top four RHD. If Bs fans are expecting more than that I wouldnt bet on it, but with McAvoy around theres no need.

It was too bad he got hurt at the end of the year again. He was playing very well and someone had finally started to take a dump in his cornflakes every morning. Guy had started to get his growl on a bit.

He’s never going to score consistently. But if he turns in to a meaner Hjalmarsson type Boston fans should be ecstatic.


I just can’t see The Bruins moving him at all. Especially with the dearth of RD’s in the league. Available ones are practically an endangered species.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

How about Johnsson, 2nd & Pickard

Nylander or dont bother picking up the phone

 

[ON3M4N]

People keep forgetting Carlo is 21 years old, playing a position that takes a long time to develop to begin with. He's also 6'5 which just ADDS to that time.

Having watched him many times I have no qualms about him being a steady top four RHD. If Bs fans are expecting more than that I wouldnt bet on it, but with McAvoy around theres no need.

Agree 100%

I think fans look at McAvoy too and that's the bar. Carlo looks to be heading towards a reliable shutdown top 4 d-man that can kill penalties and with the right d-partner I could see him being a 20-25 points guy. If that's what he turns into then I'll be happy.

 

[Critical13]

There's a lot of evidence against Carlo. Sure, I'd like to have him, but if they are guessing for a Nylander type player, or Liljegren++, there's too much risk he never develops anything on the offensive side.

 

[easton117]

There's a lot of evidence against Carlo. Sure, I'd like to have him, but if they are guessing for a Nylander type player, or Liljegren++, there's too much risk he never develops anything on the offensive side.

I’d say it’s a given.

But if you’re looking to Carlo to get you back in the game I’d say your team has bigger problems

 

[Dr Quincy]

You're in this thread chirping someone for their reading comprehension, and yet this is what you took from my post?

Well yeah. I mean, you brought up the signing of Moore as meaning the B's now had 8 D and might want to move one. If having 8 Dmen(Moore being the last to be added) wasn't the impetus for the B's alleged willingness to trade away a current D.... then why bring it up? See, that's what reading comprehension is. I actually have taught it to 8-11 year olds for 20 years. The formula: Background Knowledge + Text = Inference. You provided the text bringing up Moore. You brought up the 8 D.

Now of course the logical person would assume that signing a bottom pairing guy would mean that whoever's spot he took would be the one to trade(such as McQuaid), not actually trading a younger, cheaper, top 4 guy.

But you really weren't thinking about whether the B's situation made Carlo expendable. What you were really thinking is "How can I get you young, pretty good, RD on the Leafs?"

 

[Jared Dunn]

Well yeah. I mean, you brought up the signing of Moore as meaning the B's now had 8 D and might want to move one. If having 8 Dmen(Moore being the last to be added) wasn't the impetus for the B's alleged willingness to trade away a current D.... then why bring it up? See, that's what reading comprehension is. I actually have taught it to 8-11 year olds for 20 years. The formula: Background Knowledge + Text = Inference. You provided the text bringing up Moore. You brought up the 8 D.

Now of course the logical person would assume that signing a bottom pairing guy would mean that whoever's spot he took would be the one to trade(such as McQuaid), not actually trading a younger, cheaper, top 4 guy.

But you really weren't thinking about whether the B's situation made Carlo expendable. What you were really thinking is "How can I get you young, pretty good, RD on the Leafs?"

Good luck to those kids who are going to be taking one section out of a longer piece and ignoring the rest apparently.

This isn't a "try to get Carlo for nothing" thread which is exactly why I didn't propose anything. But if the Bruins see a player who would be an upgrade that is on the Leafs, realistically that player is going to return more than a McQuaid

 

[Dr Quincy]

My belief: Carlo is overrated by a lot of B's fans. I think he's "ok" to good, but nothing special. I don't see him developing an offensive game, nor do I see him becoming a "Hjalmarsson" quality of pure defender.

That said, he's young, he's cheap and he's good, and you never know how a guy may develop. Just because I don't "think" he'll grow a ton more.... it happens. There's really zero no reason to trade him. There's especially no reason to trade him for fringe top 6 Fs or possible futures. The B's want to compete this year, and he serves a role that they need.

In the real world he's not moving.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Good luck to those kids who are going to be taking one section out of a longer piece and ignoring the rest apparently.

This isn't a "try to get Carlo for nothing" thread which is exactly why I didn't propose anything. But if the Bruins see a player who would be an upgrade that is on the Leafs, realistically that player is going to return more than a McQuaid

Do the Leafs have a RD that would be an upgrade on Carlo? Because if they deal him, that's what they need.

Speaking of ignoring the rest of a piece...

The B's want to compete. Dealing Carlo for Kapanen or Brown or Jonsson+ may or may not be fair value. But it makes the team worse as it opens up a hole while filling a need that isn't there.

Which gets back to my original point and which you've ignored 2x: Instead of just randomly picking RD that you want to add to your team, maybe you should inquire what RD are actually available and start from there.

It's the difference between going to an autodealership and seeing what cars are actually on sale and just stopping at random driveways, knocking on the door and asking people if they will sell you their car.

 

[Jared Dunn]

My belief: Carlo is overrated by a lot of B's fans. I think he's "ok" to good, but nothing special. I don't see him developing an offensive game, nor do I see him becoming a "Hjalmarsson" quality of pure defender.

That said, he's young, he's cheap and he's good, and you never know how a guy may develop. Just because I don't "think" he'll grow a ton more.... it happens. There's really zero no reason to trade him. There's especially no reason to trade him for fringe top 6 Fs or possible futures. The B's want to compete this year, and he serves a role that they need.

In the real world he's not moving.

Well yeah realistically but we're not in the real world here. This is more musing if Boston might have issues fitting in raises to all of McAvoy (if longterm can't imagine less than 7.5), Carlo, Krug, Bjork, DeBrusk, Miller, Heinen and Donato in the next two years, and who they'd most be willing to let walk.

Right now they have great defensive depth that they could use to improve elsewhere if they felt that was a need. Krug, Chara and McAvoy obviously aren't moving, and Miller logs pretty big minutes at a low cap hit so I'd be a little shocked if they move him as well.

This really only makes sense if Boston feels they could use an upgrade on the wings, in which case Carlo is the only piece on the blue line I think that makes sense

 

[Jared Dunn]

The B's want to compete. Dealing Carlo for Kapanen or Brown or Jonsson+ may or may not be fair value. But it makes the team worse as it opens up a hole while filling a need that isn't there.

Which gets back to my original point and which you've ignored 2x: Instead of just randomly picking RD that you want to add to your team, maybe you should inquire what RD are actually available and start from there.

It's the difference between going to an autodealership and seeing what cars are actually on sale and just stopping at random driveways, knocking on the door and asking people if they will sell you their car.

Man it's an internet forum nothing we're not actually trying to put pen to paper here. Just gauging if there's anything that fits on both sides

 

[ON3M4N]

Well yeah realistically but we're not in the real world here. This is more musing if Boston might have issues fitting in raises to all of McAvoy (if longterm can't imagine less than 7.5), Carlo, Krug, Bjork, DeBrusk, Miller, Heinen and Donato in the next two years, and who they'd most be willing to let walk.

Right now they have great defensive depth that they could use to improve elsewhere if they felt that was a need. Krug, Chara and McAvoy obviously aren't moving, and Miller logs pretty big minutes at a low cap hit so I'd be a little shocked if they move him as well.

This really only makes sense if Boston feels they could use an upgrade on the wings, in which case Carlo is the only piece on the blue line I think that makes sense

If Boston was looking for a wing upgrade and using a d-man to do it, wouldn't Krug make more sense? He's an elite point producing d-man that has 2 years left on his deal. They have Chara/Grz/Moore already on the NHL roster + Zboril/Lauzon/Vaak as their top LHD prospects. LHD would be a positoin of strength for Boston. RHD on the other hand is McAvoy/Carlo/Miller/McQuaid with a Axel Andersson as their best RHD prospect.

 

[John Bruins]

Or his brain was moving faster than his feet would allow...

Whatever helps you sleep at night, all I know is Boston’s Defence is set for the next 15 years with McAvoy, Krug, Carlo, Grzelcyk. How’s the Leafs Defence??

 

[Byron Bitz]

Whatever helps you sleep at night, all I know is Boston’s Defence is set for the next 15 years with McAvoy, Krug, Carlo, Grzelcyk. How’s the Leafs Defence??

Leafs defence is a work in progress, but they have the young talent on the back end to have a very good defence very soon. That Bruins defence doesn’t look set for 15 years, it looks pretty average.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Leafs defence is a work in progress, but they have the young talent on the back end to have a very good defence very soon. That Bruins defence doesn’t look set for 15 years, it looks pretty average.

Hope your right, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to talk when we beat the Bruins in the playoffs with our stacked defense?

Even then, I suppose we could consider taking a more magnanimous stance rather than talking smack. Never mind ..... that will never work.

 

[Jared Dunn]

If Boston was looking for a wing upgrade and using a d-man to do it, wouldn't Krug make more sense? He's an elite point producing d-man that has 2 years left on his deal. They have Chara/Grz/Moore already on the NHL roster + Zboril/Lauzon/Vaak as their top LHD prospects. LHD would be a positoin of strength for Boston. RHD on the other hand is McAvoy/Carlo/Miller/McQuaid with a Axel Andersson as their best RHD prospect.

I figure with Boston looking to compete he would be less likely to be dealt

 

[Jared Dunn]

Leafs defence is a work in progress, but they have the young talent on the back end to have a very good defence very soon. That Bruins defence doesn’t look set for 15 years, it looks pretty average.

That's nuts. McAvoy has top 5 D potential, Krug is only 27, Carlo is playing top 4 at 21 and one good + two decent prospects

 

[TheDoldrums]

Whatever helps you sleep at night, all I know is Boston’s Defence is set for the next 15 years with McAvoy, Krug, Carlo, Grzelcyk. How’s the Leafs Defence??

15 years? wtf

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Fair enough, just trying to help your bad prospect pool if Carlo were to be traded. I guess he's not moving though.

Why because some Leaf homer makes a crappy list all based on if you an extreme elite player in the system. This is the same goof that ranked the Leafs #1 a few years ago. The Bruin pool is doing pretty good, you may have heard of a few of the guys that graduated, DeBrusk for one may ring a bell, the guy that blew past your dee.

 

[John Bruins]

OneManisNoman - Tory Krug is our Power Play quarterback specialist. There is two different Defense and Right Defense, don's confuse them. Bostons Right Defense is set., but with Chara likely retiring next summer the Bruins will only have Krug, Grzelcyk, and Moore on Left Defense that is why Boston will not trade Tory Krug.

Carlo, McAvoy, Krug are Nonestarters in any trade. I repeat Carlo, McAvoy, Krug will NOT be traded.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Why because some Leaf homer makes a crappy list all based on if you an extreme elite player in the system. This is the same goof that ranked the Leafs #1 a few years ago. The Bruin pool is doing pretty good, you may have heard of a few of the guys that graduated, DeBrusk for one may ring a bell, the guy that blew past your dee.

With Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapanen and Dermott? That doesn't seem all that goofy

 

[DoobieDubas]

The guy has a 0.18 ppg
Even on his ass Carlo had a better than 4/5 chance the play went nowhere

He was a rookie who played 4th line/pk.

That's a good idea just hope for the 1/5th to not happen. Brilliant. Is this carlo's usual strategy against lower ppg guys?But against higher ppg guys he stands upright not on his arse?

Would love to coach against you and your logic ...i'd play my 4th line 60 minutes a night in that case.

 

[DoobieDubas]

It was too bad he got hurt at the end of the year again. He was playing very well and someone had finally started to take a dump in his cornflakes every morning. Guy had started to get his growl on a bit.

He’s never going to score consistently. But if he turns in to a meaner Hjalmarsson type Boston fans should be ecstatic.


I just can’t see The Bruins moving him at all. Especially with the dearth of RD’s in the league. Available ones are practically an endangered species.

Hjalmarsson way better skater/transition defender.

 

[DoobieDubas]

I’d say it’s a given.

But if you’re looking to Carlo to get you back in the game I’d say your team has bigger problems

Agree with this statement.

 

[DoobieDubas]

Whatever helps you sleep at night, all I know is Boston’s Defence is set for the next 15 years with McAvoy, Krug, Carlo, Grzelcyk. How’s the Leafs Defence??

Set for the next 15 years? LOL wtf

Sure our defence is pretty meh but LOL at your comment.