Player Discussion Carey Price - Spring Savings Edition

[BLONG7]

It is selfish to take max deals in a salary cap world. Your trying to move it to Bergevin evaluation now. Even if it was not Bergevin, Price would have went after a max deal. I don't like it and Price was not the only one. In a way, the covid flat cap is a good thing for NHL teams managing rising salaries

Allen and Price have similar stats. I would have expected Price to have better stats and heading into this season, I said several times.... We need to be a top 10-15 team in offense and top 5-10 in Defense. Of course our team D is not where it needs to be but I see problems when a guy like Allen can come in and produce like Price. Price and Weber have let us down this season cause if they were close to performing to their cap hits, we would be a top 5 defensive team and that's really where we can cause trouble for other teams.

Almost every team has a guy or guys who have taken huge deals.......that's what the cap is designed to do. Why the players fought this way of compensation for years, mkes no sense....
There are sooooooooooooo many players overpaid, it is on every team. The Leafs have done quite well with 3 guys over 11 Million.....we have ONE. They have an organization who has had NO player give them a break on max deals....
So, there is no way you can lay this on Price's salary.....year over year we have had a ton of space, and a GM who did not know how to build a TEAM. No way this is on Price.
EVERY team has players who take crazy amounts of money from their employer. For years, Price was underpaid, now he is overpaid.....it is what it is.
If we had a real GM, it would all be moot....

 

[Habs Halifax]

Almost every team has a guy or guys who have taken huge deals.......that's what the cap is designed to do. Why the players fought this way of compensation for years, mkes no sense....
There are sooooooooooooo many players overpaid, it is on every team. The Leafs have done quite well with 3 guys over 11 Million.....we have ONE. They have an organization who has had NO player give them a break on max deals....
So, there is no way you can lay this on Price's salary.....year over year we have had a ton of space, and a GM who did not know how to build a TEAM. No way this is on Price.
EVERY team has players who take crazy amounts of money from their employer. For years, Price was underpaid, now he is overpaid.....it is what it is.
If we had a real GM, it would all be moot....

I like to think Price is not greedy cause I respect him and I'm a fan of his ability. I don't like the copycat narrative so if other players want to do that, it doesn't make it acceptable for me on our team. And yeah, Bergevin deserves criticism as well but I believe another GM would have had his hands tied on that too

I don't think the main point is being seen here. When you go after max deals in 30+ years, it usually don't end up well and it creates unnecessary pressure. $68M vs $84M and maybe his life is better if he took $68M. In Montreal of all places, it can and will affect your daily life. Price is a patient guy and the pressure probably don't get to him like it did with Drouin but you never know how that changes people over time.

The $10.5M AAV set a bar that was highly unreachable. So when he struggles and his confidence is low, it makes it worse. What's the point? $16M extra on top of $68M? Tavares actually left $2M on the table to join the Leafs from what I heard (Sharks were offering more). If they had cap room, they would have signed him to $13M AAV.

 

[salbutera]

It is selfish to take max deals in a salary cap world. Your trying to move it to Bergevin evaluation now. Even if it was not Bergevin, Price would have went after a max deal. I don't like it and Price was not the only one. In a way, the covid flat cap is a good thing for NHL teams managing rising salaries

Allen and Price have similar stats. I would have expected Price to have better stats and heading into this season, I said several times.... We need to be a top 10-15 team in offense and top 5-10 in Defense. Of course our team D is not where it needs to be but I see problems when a guy like Allen can come in and produce like Price. Price and Weber have let us down this season cause if they were close to performing to their cap hits, we would be a top 5 defensive team and that's really where we can cause trouble for other teams.

Is this some type of communist or socialist manifesto?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is this some type of communist or socialist manifesto?

Nope. You get the point and you don't have to agree. Taking max deals is risky to the player and the team. It's selfish in a salary cap league and it don't only apply to Price.

Less pressure to produce by having a $8.5M cap hit is not the same as an unreachable bar at $10.5M. For players in their 30+ years, we have seen it more often than not.

 

[Michelangelo]

It is selfish to take max deals in a salary cap world. Your trying to move it to Bergevin evaluation now. Even if it was not Bergevin, Price would have went after a max deal. I don't like it and Price was not the only one. In a way, the covid flat cap is a good thing for NHL teams managing rising salaries

Allen and Price have similar stats. I would have expected Price to have better stats and heading into this season, I said several times.... We need to be a top 10-15 team in offense and top 5-10 in Defense. Of course our team D is not where it needs to be but I see problems when a guy like Allen can come in and produce like Price. Price and Weber have let us down this season cause if they were close to performing to their cap hits, we would be a top 5 defensive team and that's really where we can cause trouble for other teams.

Hey ok i'm gonna go ask my manager to see if he can cut 20% of my salary and give it to other guys on my team

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hey ok i'm gonna go ask my manager to see if he can cut 20% of my salary and give it to other guys on my team

You don't have a salary cap and fans cheering or booing you so it's not the same. Your employment salary likely does not affect your coworkers and it's also likely not guaranteed money. $68M vs $84M over 8 years is not the same as $100k vs $80k per year.

Bad example to try to prove your point or narrative

 

[nhlfan9191]

It is selfish to take max deals in a salary cap world. Your trying to move it to Bergevin evaluation now. Even if it was not Bergevin, Price would have went after a max deal. I don't like it and Price was not the only one. In a way, the covid flat cap is a good thing for NHL teams managing rising salaries

Allen and Price have similar stats. I would have expected Price to have better stats and heading into this season, I said several times.... We need to be a top 10-15 team in offense and top 5-10 in Defense. Of course our team D is not where it needs to be but I see problems when a guy like Allen can come in and produce like Price. Price and Weber have let us down this season cause if they were close to performing to their cap hits, we would be a top 5 defensive team and that's really where we can cause trouble for other teams.

That’s Bergevin’s job.. You’re making this out to be Price’s fault for taking what he could’ve gotten on the market at the time of the extension. But the reality is, it’s 100% on management. It’s their job to access if the player is worth it. If they were smart, they would’ve came to the conclusion in 2017 that having that much cap tied to a goalie wasn’t worth it and either traded him or rode out one last season with him. Similar to what Columbus did with Bobrovsky. The reason they extended him so quickly is because they were terrified the team would be exposed for how bad it was without him. Ironically, it was exposed anyway with him and now we have a mediocre team with a boat anchor of a contract on it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That’s Bergevin’s job.. You’re making this out to be Price’s fault for taking what he could’ve gotten on the market at the time of the extension. But the reality is, it’s 100% on management. It’s their job to access if the player is worth it. If they were smart, they would’ve came to the conclusion in 2017 that having that much cap tied to a goalie wasn’t worth it and either traded him or rode out one last season with him. Similar to what Columbus did with Bobrovsky. The reason they extended him so quickly is because they were terrified the team would be exposed for how bad it was without him. Ironically, it was exposed anyway with him and now we have a mediocre team with a boat anchor of a contract on it.

I don't think you really see my point cause your mind is on Bergevin vs Price. It's deeper than that. It's about age 30+ players going after max deals at the cost of the team and in a city like Montreal, it adds pressure and expectations that are likely not reachable. It affects you as a person. If he took $68M, you never know how things could have been different cause he would not be expected to be the gold goalie holding down a $10.5M value.

It was bloated and it's both Bergevin and Price's fault. But you want to make it about Bergevin... clearly. Not the first time you have done that so time for you to move on cause in the past, you always turn to Bergevin in threads that are not Bergevin and this is where we get into trouble.

 

[BLONG7]

I like to think Price is not greedy cause I respect him and I'm a fan of his ability. I don't like the copycat narrative so if other players want to do that, it doesn't make it acceptable for me on our team. And yeah, Bergevin deserves criticism as well but I believe another GM would have had his hands tied on that too

I don't think the main point is being seen here. When you go after max deals in 30+ years, it usually don't end up well and it creates unnecessary pressure. $68M vs $84M and maybe his life is better if he took $68M. In Montreal of all places, it can and will affect your daily life. Price is a patient guy and the pressure probably don't get to him like it did with Drouin but you never know how that changes people over time.

The $10.5M AAV set a bar that was highly unreachable. So when he struggles and his confidence is low, it makes it worse. What's the point? $16M extra on top of $68M? Tavares actually left $2M on the table to join the Leafs from what I heard (Sharks were offering more). If they had cap room, they would have signed him to $13M AAV.

The agents, the PA and then the players, all play a part in money being doled out.....in most cases, the stars let their agents do the talking. There was no way Price was not going to set the new bar, for goalies, just no way. As you say, it could become an issue down the road in his mid to late 30's but this is the case for every player.
I think Price is breaking down...for sure, too many injuries. I do think he and his pal Webby will both be LTIR in a couple of years....habs will have a ton os space then, let's just hope they have the right GM to use the money.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The agents, the PA and then the players, all play a part in money being doled out.....in most cases, the stars let their agents do the talking. There was no way Price was not going to set the new bar, for goalies, just no way. As you say, it could become an issue down the road in his mid to late 30's but this is the case for every player.
I think Price is breaking down...for sure, too many injuries. I do think he and his pal Webby will both be LTIR in a couple of years....habs will have a ton os space then, let's just hope they have the right GM to use the money.

I understand what was at play. All I am saying (easy for me to say) is that if I was in Price's shoes and I liked it in Montreal, I would have settled around $8.5M. I would have told my agent to go pound sand. I am fine with the money I already made and the future $64M to come. What the GM does with the money goes to other players... who those players are is not the goalie's choice but at least there is some flexibility in that 8 year term. Some people are trying to tell me that he should have taken the $10.5M cause Bergevin would have not spent it well. Those are two different conversations and it really supports Price being selfish cause he should not care or trust his GM. If that is the case, why did he extend with us? It don't add up

Now having said all of that... lets say Price goes to Seattle. I'm doubtful but lets play that narrative. Where does his cap hit go? Do we have confidence Bergevin spends it well? That's another conversation but that cap space probably helps our team and it should be not be spent quickly cause we have the space. Heck, we had $8M+ of cap space prior to this year for several years so why wouldn't Bergevin spend it well? You don't think he didn't learned from the Alzner contract? I find all this stuff funny on how some fans are thinking Bergevin is the same guy he was 4+ years ago. And for the record, I don't hate or like Bergevin. I call things as I see it and I'm not influenced by the popular bandwagon movement or herd of sheep march

 

[Cole Caulifield]

You don't have a salary cap and fans cheering or booing you so it's not the same. Your employment salary likely does not affect your coworkers and it's also likely not guaranteed money. $68M vs $84M over 8 years is not the same as $100k vs $80k per year.

Bad example to try to prove your point or narrative

Totally agree with your point but I'll add to this. I know a guy who works at a big plant where everyone is making 100K$ a year. Even the regular workshop guys. He got a promotion and was making 110K$ a year but the pressure, hours made his life hell, so he actually asked for a demotion to go back to 100K but with better work conditions. More and more the newer generations, they will value things other than pure absolute monetary gain. And I think that's very healthy because work is a big part of our lives, and if you have the chance to enjoy your work, that is worth a certain amount of money. I'd rather make 80K at a job I like than 100K at a job I hate. But it depends on how much you value money in relation with other things. And if you make 25K a year, you can't afford to make such decisions because you need all of it to get by.

But yeah, at 68M versus 84M..... Would make money even lower in the list of priorities when considering a new job if I were a hockey player in those shoes. But that's me...

 

[BLONG7]

I understand what was at play. All I am saying (easy for me to say) is that if I was in Price's shoes and I liked it in Montreal, I would have settled around $8.5M. I would have told my agent to go pound sand. I am fine with the money I already made and the future $64M to come. What the GM does with the money goes to other players... who those players are is not the goalie's choice but at least there is some flexibility in that 8 year term. Some people are trying to tell me that he should have taken the $10.5M cause Bergevin would have not spent it well. Those are two different conversations and it really supports Price being selfish cause he should not care or trust his GM. If that is the case, why did he extend with us? It don't add up

Now having said all of that... lets say Price goes to Seattle. I'm doubtful but lets play that narrative. Where does his cap hit go? Do we have confidence Bergevin spends it well? That's another conversation but that cap space probably helps our team and it should be not be spent quickly cause we have the space. Heck, we had $8M+ of cap space prior to this year for several years so why wouldn't Bergevin spend it well? You don't think he didn't learned from the Alzner contract? I find all this stuff funny on how some fans are thinking Bergevin is the same guy he was 4+ years ago. And for the record, I don't hate or like Bergevin. I call things as I see it and I'm not influenced by the popular bandwagon movement or herd of sheep march

Some good points, but there WAS money left on the table for years...................and Bergevin did NOT use it.....so it's a moot point.
Right goalie for years, wrong GM. No amount of cap space changes that...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Totally agree with your point but I'll add to this. I know a guy who works at a big plant where everyone is making 100K$ a year. Even the regular workshop guys. He got a promotion and was making 110K$ a year but the pressure, hours made his life hell, so he actually asked for a demotion to go back to 100K but with better work conditions. More and more the newer generations, they will value things other than pure absolute monetary gain. And I think that's very healthy because work is a big part of our lives, and if you have the chance to enjoy your work, that is worth a certain amount of money. I'd rather make 80K at a job I like than 100K at a job I hate. But it depends on how much you value money in relation with other things. And if you make 25K a year, you can't afford to make such decisions because you need all of it to get by.

But yeah, at 68M versus 84M..... Would make money even lower in the list of priorities when considering a new job if I were a hockey player in those shoes. But that's me...

Someone sees my point! Thank you. It's not complicated to understand and so many experience this with bloated salary and increased level of expectations. If you want to sell yourself as the best, you better produce. It's more evident in a salary cap sports league cause when you go after max deals, someone on your team gets less.

I would have supported Price going after a max deal after his ELC or bride deal cause those were prime years. Going after max deals in your 30+ years is very risky to team you play for. Comes down to $68M vs $84M and he already was a millionaire set of life prior to that contract. Maybe the agent was in his ears too much and that's probably true but they are also after their % of the pie too. Same as a realtor ... I remember when I bought my house, I wanted to low ball an offer. The realtor said it might be insulting. I said, who you worried about? Me or the other agent? I said make my offer or I find another realtor. It reeked of them trying to get a higher % of the sale with a higher acceptable offer. You know what happened? They accepted my 1st low ball offer. My realtor said I was lucky. I told her that I was not desperate for that house and there are others available. Idiot

 

[Habs Halifax]

Some good points, but there WAS money left on the table for years...................and Bergevin did NOT use it.....so it's a moot point.
Right goalie for years, wrong GM. No amount of cap space changes that...

Don't matter if the cap space is used right away or not. It's about flexibly and that $10.5M cap hit has not affected us until this season. Now we got young guys to sign at the back end of Price's contract. It's hurting us now and in fact, it's also hurting Price. Neither Price or the Habs benefitted from that max deal.... other than Price adding $16M to his collection of wealth

 

[nhlfan9191]

I don't think you really see my point cause your mind is on Bergevin vs Price. It's deeper than that. It's about age 30+ players going after max deals at the cost of the team and in a city like Montreal, it adds pressure and expectations that are likely not reachable. It affects you as a person. If he took $68M, you never know how things could have been different cause he would not be expected to be the gold goalie holding down a $10.5M value.

It was bloated and it's both Bergevin and Price's fault. But you want to make it about Bergevin... clearly. Not the first time you have done that so time for you to move on cause in the past, you always turn to Bergevin in threads that are not Bergevin and this is where we get into trouble.

I really don’t think it’s that deep. We’re talking about contracts and money between an employer and an employee so of course my mind is on Molson/Bergevin vs Price when it comes to this discussion.

I understand what was at play. All I am saying (easy for me to say) is that if I was in Price's shoes and I liked it in Montreal, I would have settled around $8.5M. I would have told my agent to go pound sand. I am fine with the money I already made and the future $64M to come. What the GM does with the money goes to other players... who those players are is not the goalie's choice but at least there is some flexibility in that 8 year term. Some people are trying to tell me that he should have taken the $10.5M cause Bergevin would have not spent it well. Those are two different conversations and it really supports Price being selfish cause he should not care or trust his GM. If that is the case, why did he extend with us? It don't add up

Now having said all of that... lets say Price goes to Seattle. I'm doubtful but lets play that narrative. Where does his cap hit go? Do we have confidence Bergevin spends it well? That's another conversation but that cap space probably helps our team and it should be not be spent quickly cause we have the space. Heck, we had $8M+ of cap space prior to this year for several years so why wouldn't Bergevin spend it well? You don't think he didn't learned from the Alzner contract? I find all this stuff funny on how some fans are thinking Bergevin is the same guy he was 4+ years ago. And for the record, I don't hate or like Bergevin. I call things as I see it and I'm not influenced by the popular bandwagon movement or herd of sheep march

This is a nonsense argument. I remember we started debating after things fell apart in 17/18. I’m not sure how active you were on this site the season prior in 16/17 or how much you paid attention before that, but the media and fans were all over Price the second he had a slump. People were ripping him to pieces in a season he ended up being a Vezina finalist in. He was only making $6.5 million that year.

My main reason for bringing this up is to show it wouldn’t matter if he was making $10.5 million, $8.5 million, or less than that. It wouldn’t change the pressure of how the fans and the media have reacted to him. As a player, he would’ve been a fool to leave money on the table thinking it would somehow give him a pass to a bipolar fanbase with just as bad media presence. As far as leaving money on the table for the teams sake, if he does that, then he gambles millions of dollars on a GM using the money he could’ve gotten responsibly. And let’s be honest, with the $2 million a year you’re suggesting he just throws away, what was Bergevin or whoever takes over for him realistically going to do with that money? Grab another 4th line bum or depth defenseman? $2 million doesn’t get you much anymore.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really don’t think it’s that deep. We’re talking about contracts and money between an employer and an employee so of course my mind is on Molson/Bergevin vs Price when it comes to this discussion.



This is a nonsense argument. I remember we started debating after things fell apart in 17/18. I’m not sure how active you were on this site the season prior in 16/17 or how much you paid attention before that, but the media and fans were all over Price the second he had a slump. People were ripping him to pieces in a season he ended up being a Vezina finalist in. He was only making $6.5 million that year.

My main reason for bringing this up is to show it wouldn’t matter if he was making $10.5 million, $8.5 million, or less than that. It wouldn’t change the pressure of how the fans and the media have reacted to him. As a player, he would’ve been a fool to leave money on the table thinking it would somehow give him a pass to a bipolar fanbase with just as bad media presence. As far as leaving money on the table for the teams sake, if he does that, then he gambles millions of dollars on a GM using the money he could’ve gotten responsibly. And let’s be honest, with the $2 million a year you’re suggesting he just throws away, what was Bergevin or whoever takes over for him realistically going to do with that money? Grab another 4th line bum or depth defenseman? $2 million doesn’t get you much anymore.

We don't agree again. You won't bring up something I already don't know but you can keep trying. Others have seen the point but you don't. It's ok

 

[BLONG7]

Don't matter if the cap space is used right away or not. It's about flexibly and that $10.5M cap hit has not affected us until this season. Now we got young guys to sign at the back end of Price's contract. It's hurting us now and in fact, it's also hurting Price. Neither Price or the Habs benefitted from that max deal.... other than Price adding $16M to his collection of wealth

The 4M given to Alzner this year, made a mess of the cap space....again on Bergevin not Price.
I do see your point, I just don't agree....I just can't get by the mistakes made by the GM on so many of our issues, and the cap management, is just one.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The 4M given to Alzner this year, made a mess of the cap space....again on Bergevin not Price.
I do see your point, I just don't agree....I just can't get by the mistakes made by the GM on so many of our issues, and the cap management, is just one.

Mistakes by Bergevin is evident but it's another conversation. With Price and another GM, I still think that other GM is forced to sign Price at that cap hit or let him walk. Trading him as a UFA rental (or sign/trade) in the previous season might have been a genius move but takes a lot of guts in our market.

The main point is players going after max deals in their 30+ years. There is lots of evidence on that and how it fails. Blame Bergevin or Price. I would blame both of them but I feel some are defending Price going after the max deal cause our GM is an idiot. If that was the case, Price should have walked and signed with someone else if he didn't trust Bergevin. Like I said, that narrative don't add up

 

[BLONG7]

Mistakes by Bergevin is evident but it's another conversation. With Price and another GM, I still think that other GM is forced to sign Price at that cap hit or let him walk. Trading him as a UFA rental (or sign/trade) in the previous season might have been a genius move but takes a lot of guts in our market.

The main point is players going after max deals in their 30+ years. There is lots of evidence on that and how it fails. Blame Bergevin or Price. I would blame both of them but I feel some are defending Price going after the max deal cause our GM is an idiot. If that was the case, Price should have walked and signed with someone else if he didn't trust Bergevin. Like I said, that narrative don't add up

Bergevin is like a car salesman, and Price fell for his narrative............no way Price thought Bergevin would pi$$ away 5-6 yrs of his prime....
Just my 2 cents...

 

[Zam Boni]

Would the expectations and pressure be that much lower if Price was paid 8,5 instead of 10,5? Really?
He is still the number one goaltender in Montreal, with everything that comes with it.
He'd still be one of the best paid goalies and expected to play as such, I have a hard time thinking fans would ease up just cuz he left 2M on the table, money we might never have heard of either.

In the end, he choose what was given, the money, and not some potential "less pressure" for less money.

EDIT: And for the record, I have been a huge Price fans since WJC, and when he is on his game he truly is one of the absolute best goalies, his movement is probably the best and smoothest ever and a thing of beauty to watch. I do however wonder if we ever will see that Price again, seems like the age and mileage is catching up to him.
Will he be back this season?
At all?

 

[BLONG7]

Would the expectations and pressure be that much lower if Price was paid 8,5 instead of 10,5? Really?
He is still the number one goaltender in Montreal, with everything that comes with it.
He'd still be one of the best paid goalies and expected to play as such, I have a hard time thinking fans would ease up just cuz he left 2M on the table, money we might never have heard of either.

In the end, he choose what was given, the money, and not some potential "less pressure" for less money.

EDIT: And for the record, I have been a huge Price fans since WJC, and when he is on his game he truly is one of the absolute best goalies, his movement is probably the best and smoothest ever and a thing of beauty to watch. I do however wonder if we ever will see that Price again, seems like the age and mileage is catching up to him.
Will he be back this season?
At all?

Sounds like he will play the two Edmonton games prior the playoffs...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It is selfish to take max deals in a salary cap world. Your trying to move it to Bergevin evaluation now. Even if it was not Bergevin, Price would have went after a max deal. I don't like it and Price was not the only one. In a way, the covid flat cap is a good thing for NHL teams managing rising salaries

Allen and Price have similar stats. I would have expected Price to have better stats and heading into this season, I said several times.... We need to be a top 10-15 team in offense and top 5-10 in Defense. Of course our team D is not where it needs to be but I see problems when a guy like Allen can come in and produce like Price. Price and Weber have let us down this season cause if they were close to performing to their cap hits, we would be a top 5 defensive team and that's really where we can cause trouble for other teams.

You’re missing a key point.

Price is a bell weather player for others in a union. He sets the bar. If he signs for five mil it screws everybody else. Any superstar player comes under a ton of pressure from everyone else to max out. And you’ll notice that he signed for the identical cap hit that Lundqvist did.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You’re missing a key point.

Price is a bell weather player for others in a union. He sets the bar. If he signs for five mil it screws everybody else. Any superstar player comes under a ton of pressure from everyone else to max out. And you’ll notice that he signed for the identical cap hit that Lundqvist did.

I'm not missing the point of what the NHLPA expects or what the Agent would push for. I'm saying he can be a better leader by not setting a ridiculous bar of expectations and still be paid among the best.

 

[DAChampion]

We can't fault Price for agreeing to be massively overpaid.

It is Bergevin who offered that ridiculous contract on the first day that he could.

 

[BLONG7]

I'm not missing the point of what the NHLPA expects or what the Agent would push for. I'm saying he can be a better leader by not setting a ridiculous bar of expectations and still be paid among the best.

95% of the time, you and I are on the same page, totally respect your opinion here, I just don't see it that way.
His agent had MB by the balls............it could have been a cap hit ask of 12M and there was absolutely nothing our clown GM could have done...............yes, we have been that bad a team that without him ( proven ) during the Therrien years and now this, we were an absolute bottom feeder teedering on an AHL team, and this guy just dragged us to the bubble team performance, playoffs year in and year out. Hid performance at 3M and the 6.5M covered over sooo many issues with this team.
I think what Price's people thought was, he had already given his Jose Bautista deal during the 6 yr 39M dollar deal, and his next one was, the he is gonna get paid deal. Does it currently match his performance as he ages, nope not every night....but his people would tell you when he was on cheap deals, he was underpaid.
As for this year, we all need him to go on a run here!! With this team, it's an absolute unknown.
One thing for certain, Price's performance got MB his 2nd extension but it wont get him his 3rd. MB has not learned how to carry the load over the past 5-6 seasons, and that's not on Price.