Some people in this thread are gonna be mad when Price gets into the HoF on his first ballot easily
Carey Price showing he'll never be an all-time great of his generation
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ClydeLee
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If Fleury gets in already the standards may be lowered. But the HOF on goalies has been very rigid before and it would take a change for it to happen.
He should be a first ballot hall of famer but that doesnt mean he isnt overrated.
They've been rigid, but a goalie with a Hart, Vezina, Lindsay, Jennings, Gold Medal, World Cup Gold, and likely top-10 in wins is going to get into the Hall.
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Well once Guy Carbonneau got in I pretty much assumed the requirements to be a hall of famer have become "have a pulse".
Holy crap what a hot take
I exclude anything before ‘95 because of the lack of comparability, and lower caliber of goaltending. I didn’t find any better 3 years stretch honestly regular season wise. Happy to admit I was wrong if you show me one.
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.933 (1,96 GAA)
.934 (12 games only)
.923
pretty awesome 200 games stretch right there at .928
Brodeur, Luongo, Lundqvist, Thomas, Rask, Holtby...they don’t have a better 200 game stretch using SV%. Thomas comes closest at .927.
Of course Brodeur and Luongo amongst other were more consistent over their career and better goalies.
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Well for starters you said 2nd best ever..... and then proceeded to omit nearly 80 years of NHL history.
SV% isn't the only metric to use by the way.
Overall, these are just as comparable -
Brodeur 2002-2007
Thomas 2007-2011
Luongo 2003-2008
Lundqvist 2010-2014
Kiprusoff 2003-2008
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If Carbonneau gets in the door is pretty wide open to anyone (and for the record I was a big Carbonneau fan).
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I want Price gone, but even now it really isn't.
When your GM says number 1 centres don't get traded, but then they do. That's a problem.
When your GM refuses to spend what capspace he has, or make a trade for good players. That's a problem.
When your GM's plan is to hope Tavares goes to free agency and hopefully sign with you, but doesn't even meet with your team. That's a problem.
When your GM doesn't spend and hopes to get Duchene as a FA, but he choose another team. That's a problem.
When your GM gives a terrible offersheet. That's a problem.
When your team can't draft worth shit. That's a problem.
When your GM doesn't address team needs and rather trades your top prospect in a position of need for a position you're already fairly strong on. That's a problem.
And I could keep going.
Price's contract sucks, but it's not a problem right now. Maybe this off season, but right now it's not preventing them from doing anything they couldn't do otherwise.
Well for starters you said 2nd best ever..... and then proceeded to omit nearly 80 years of NHL history.
SV% isn't the only metric to use by the way.
Overall, these are just as comparable -
Brodeur 2002-2007
Thomas 2007-2011
Luongo 2003-2008
Lundqvist 2010-2014
Kiprusoff 2003-2008
*1995-Present Only*
Goalies were not very good back then. People say it’s the most improved position in all sports in the last decades for a reason.
SV% is the more objective measure. Best stat to evaluate performance no doubt.
It’s a debatable take, but not as “hot” as you think. It’s not like I said he was the 2nd best ever.
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Say what you will about Price, but I still think he's the scariest goalie to face in the playoffs in the North division, with all due respect to Hellebuyck.
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While I don't think based on his NHL resume he should or would make the HOF - his international career is what will likely be the tipping aspect.
What I will say is that Price is the most excuse driven player I have ever heard fans of his rationalize for lack of playoff success, poor stats , inconsistent play etc .
I've heard fans say that for periods throughout the previous decade that he was playing behind an AHL roster which is just ludicrous because for most of the decade for most offensive and defensive statistics Montreal was a middle of the pack team on average. Yet people act like Montreal was averaging 40 shots against and getting no goal support.
I've heard that he has never had a capable defence corp infront of him. Once again they average pretty middling defense stats throughout the decade.
I've heard that stats don't matter or reveal the the truth for Price. This is absurd because no other player or goalie has ever gotten this type of rational to excuse poor play. They usually then insist something so vague like "you really just have to look at how calm and collected he is in the net".
It is nonsense to imply that even during his awful statistical seasons that he was actually a revelation overcoming the odds infront of a team so riddled with lack of everything that the only reason the team had any form of success was to him putting up middling to bad statistical outputs. The more reasonable assertion would be for periods this decade Price has ranged from the best goalie to top 5 to bottom 20.
What I will say is that Price is the most excuse driven player I have ever heard fans of his rationalize for lack of playoff success, poor stats , inconsistent play etc .
I've heard fans say that for periods throughout the previous decade that he was playing behind an AHL roster which is just ludicrous because for most of the decade for most offensive and defensive statistics Montreal was a middle of the pack team on average. Yet people act like Montreal was averaging 40 shots against and getting no goal support.
I've heard that he has never had a capable defence corp infront of him. Once again they average pretty middling defense stats throughout the decade.
I've heard that stats don't matter or reveal the the truth for Price. This is absurd because no other player or goalie has ever gotten this type of rational to excuse poor play. They usually then insist something so vague like "you really just have to look at how calm and collected he is in the net".
It is nonsense to imply that even during his awful statistical seasons that he was actually a revelation overcoming the odds infront of a team so riddled with lack of everything that the only reason the team had any form of success was to him putting up middling to bad statistical outputs. The more reasonable assertion would be for periods this decade Price has ranged from the best goalie to top 5 to bottom 20.
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Some goalies still were very good and played up and beyond their competition, which is exactly how to judge them. You judge them by their comparable and SV% is far in away not an objective or best measure.
Sv% is varied and reliant on the era you are in for impact overall. Avgs change in a couple years, nowadays at leas the last 2/3 seasons Sv% Avg. is around .910 yet the 5 years ago early 2010s era it was higher up around .915 and it has been in different spots in eras. It's not great for that yet GSAA and some more metrics are better at comparing chances against and the impact or amount of saves made by how much a goalie faces and what they should of saved. Price didn't hit close to the peak of over great goalies.
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He won a single Vezina in that time frame and was nominated one other time. There are pleny of goalies who actually WON multiple during a 4 year stretch and were nominated more than twice.
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Why is the HHOF much more strict for goalies than it is for skaters? Seems like a goalie has to have a cup win and be the top 3 at the position for a significant time to get in while skaters don't really need that. I don't see how Sundin is much more deserving of induction than Price.
It makes sense to keep the criteria tight for goalies, as the talent pool is much, much smaller. In a 31 team league, there are 403+ forwards, 217+ defensemen, and 62+ goalies.
Last season there were 30 goalies that played more than half the games (35+ games) and this season there were only 28 goalies that played half the games (28+ games). Back when it was a 21 team league, there were only 15-20 goalies playing more than half the games in a season.
Objectively, it stands to reason that a very, very questionable HHOF forward induction like Andreychuk who was the 3rd best LW (AS voting) out of 160 LWs that played in the NHL in his best season is more impressive than being the third, fourth, or fifth best goalie out of 20-30 starting goalies in the league.
If Price secures the Conn Smythe this year and can string together another Vezina-worthy season, he'll firmly be in Barrasso territory when it comes to the HHOF (i.e. should be inducted, but probably won't be)
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For a goalie that has played his entire career for Montreal, I think he has done pretty damn good.
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Not for goalies. Look how few have gotten in. Cujo and Osgood aren't in and they have over 300-400 wins in the NHL and Osgood has 3 Cups (2 as starter). For some reason they are super strict with goalies.
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Goalies back then were way smaller and had way smaller equipment which also protected less than todays gear, meaning it hurt a lot more to play goal. They were also pretty athletic back then. The only thing better now is technique and coaching. Goalies back then also didn't have the cushy team defences of today.
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