Carcillo "spamming" twitter with concussion related tweets/links

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Dr Quincy

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I follow this guy on twitter and he tweets about concussions, replies to other people in hockey´s tweets with tons of concussion related things even if their tweet has nothing to do with concussions. I have never seen anyone tweet about one thing as much as he does. He does it all day every day. Anyone know whats going on? Is he on a mission or something?
Follow Chris Nowinski.
All of his tweets are about concussions, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

God forbid someone is passionate about helping people.
 
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He’s posturing for a lawsuit and some of you people actually pity him. He’s having financial problems so this new campaign was started.

Please don’t praise him as a hero. It sucks what happened to him, but he assumed the risk. Good luck in court, Carcillo. Any competent judge would laugh at you and immediately throw your case out.

Sounds like you know little about the law. Assumption of the risk will likely be a defense, but it isn't an all or nothing thing. There are facts to be determined by showing evidence, and negligience can still be found whether someone assumes risk or not. A jury may find Carcillo partly responsible for his own predicament.... AND still levy a judgement against the league for huge bucks.
 
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Pretty sad to see so many people calling him a hypocrite. That would apply if he was actively throwing bad hits now while advocating for reform in the system. He obviously didn't have all of this knowledge on concussions during his entire playing career. The guy is growing as a human being as I would hope everyone would. He's trying to save the next generation from going through what he and many others are. Who cares if he may have caused some brain trauma himself. He isn't absolving himself of it, actually it's quite the opposite.

This is a huge problem with society as whole now. We don't allow people to grow and hold them to who they were at previous points in their life because the internet makes it very easy to remember everything that happened before. I'm not saying forget the past but we have to learn to put value on the present and the future as well. Carcillo is doing great things for the future of concussion protocol and general awareness on the subject. Let's give the guy a break on his past transgressions and support his effort on making the game safer and the players' lives after hockey more meaningful.

Where? Show us where? Hes blaming everyone but himself. If thats not a hypocrite then I don't know what is. If I punched u in the face right now and years later I said Guys we can't be punching each other in the face, Guys Like NJGoalie are the reason for punches in the face, if he wasn't an idiot then people wouldn't get punched in the face.... ya sounds pretty damn stupid
 

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I should have been clearer about which timeframe I was referring to (pre media blowup) and that I wasn't talking specifically about Carcillo,

I don't disagree with what you wrote, multiple parties can be at fault at the same time. He should have known, and he probably did know.

At the same time I don't think it's for the player living in a constant post concussion daze to be the one to look through
media and have the responsibility to try to change hockey culture where complaints are frowned upon. It's just not a very feasible option.

I just hope at least today there would be som kind of organized briefing about the dangers, since at least some players will be scientifically ignorant.
Maybe something as simple as a one day seminar with lectures for every player signing up for league, having to talk to guys like Savard, Franzen and Boynton.

Seeing that a few players officially have said they would take their careers back to live a normal life it's hard to argue that the information given has been enough, disregarding whether or not they should have known or not.

We actually do agree on this issue then. My issue is entirely with Carcillo’s attitude, not with his message. On a basic level the league is responsible for the safety of its employees, and they need to own up to that.
 

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I follow this guy on twitter and he tweets about concussions, replies to other people in hockey´s tweets with tons of concussion related things even if their tweet has nothing to do with concussions. I have never seen anyone tweet about one thing as much as he does. He does it all day every day. Anyone know whats going on? Is he on a mission or something?

I see nothing wrong with it.

The NHL is acting like CTE doesn't exist and has the worst Concussion protocol in all of major sports.

I hope more ex-NHL'ers and current NHL'ers re-tweet his stuff more.

As for him as a player - People need to realize that the teams basically "Created" him, he was a player that was told hey if you do this, you'll make it, ok now that you've made it, you have to do this too now, so he did. If people think that isn't what teams want from players, they're more out to lunch than the NHL thinking CTE is made up.
 
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I see nothing wrong with it.

The NHL is acting like CTE doesn't exist and has the worst Concussion protocol in all of major sports.

I hope more ex-NHL'ers and current NHL'ers re-tweet his stuff more.

As for him as a player - People need to realize that the teams basically "Created" him, he was a player that was told hey if you do this, you'll make it, ok now that you've made it, you have to do this too now, so he did. If people think that isn't what teams want from players, they're more out to lunch than the NHL thinking CTE is made up.

I'm with you on the concussions, less so on the last paragraph. If a player is only talented enough to "make it" as a dirty goonish player that isn't on any team, whether they take advantage of the player's goonish behavior or not.
 

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I'm with you on the concussions, less so on the last paragraph. If a player is only talented enough to "make it" as a dirty goonish player that isn't on any team, whether they take advantage of the player's goonish behavior or not.

Then you're misled on what these guys are told by developmental coaches that are employed by NHL teams and help them to their NHL dream. Ever wonder how so many of these kids start out playing and then later take on a fighters role in juniors or otherwise out of nowhere?? Someone TOLD them to play that way, someone ENCOURAGED that kind of play.

For example, the head shots by Wilson, so many of his team mates and coaches were talking about how that is hockey, nothing wrong with it. Guarantee you on the other end if they were the receiving team, they'd be calling for suspensions, why? Because they want that from their big physical player, to play that game and when he does, they can't be hypocrites about it for obvious reasons.

I 100% believe these players are developed, no one grows up saying "Gee I would love to just get my face punched in just so I can make the NHL!!"
 
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Then you're misled on what these guys are told by developmental coaches that are employed by NHL teams and help them to their NHL dream. Ever wonder how so many of these kids start out playing and then later take on a fighters role in juniors or otherwise out of nowhere?? Someone TOLD them to play that way, someone ENCOURAGED that kind of play.

For example, the head shots by Wilson, so many of his team mates and coaches were talking about how that is hockey, nothing wrong with it. Guarantee you on the other end if they were the receiving team, they'd be calling for suspensions, why? Because they want that from their big physical player, to play that game and when he does, they can't be hypocrites about it for obvious reasons.

I 100% believe these players are developed, no one grows up saying "Gee I would love to just get my face punched in just so I can make the NHL!!"

I am not disagreeing with any of that. That does not absolve an adult human who happens to play a sport for a living from carrying out those directions.

And again, very few players do these things we are talking about. It may not be these guys' childhood dream to fight or lay dirty hits for a living, but if that is what is keeping them in the NHL then (and that alone) then that is their choice. This is where it appears you and I disagree on personal responsibility .
 

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Follow Chris Nowinski.
All of his tweets are about concussions, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

God forbid someone is passionate about helping people.
I never said i had a problem with him beeing passionate about concussions. Difference between that and spamming it everywhere and attacking people for no reason like he did with Paul Bissonette which was just stupid of him.



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He’s posturing for a lawsuit and some of you people actually pity him. He’s having financial problems so this new campaign was started.

Please don’t praise him as a hero. It sucks what happened to him, but he assumed the risk. Good luck in court, Carcillo. Any competent judge would laugh at you and immediately throw your case out.
Is that just like how all those tobacco lawsuits got laughed out of court???
 
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What a joke this guy is.. concussed multiple players himself throughout his career. Spams twitter and gets extremely defensive/angry towards people.

Hard to take someone like that seriously.
 
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I used to hate Steve Downie. Had personal reasons too as he was very disrespectful to a family friend's kid when he was in Windsor. The way he played infuriated me. He was so reckless. And that recklessness helped push him onto Team Canada and being drafted in the first round. He was more rewarded for his physicality than offensive skill (which he had a little bit of, Andrew Shaw level I guess), and people made excuses for him.



When he left the game, he realized how hockey culture led him down a path of playing the way he did, convinced him he did nothing wrong, and now he regrets every day of his life for what he did to Dean McAmmond, and to others. That's called rehabilitation. But so many hockey thugs shouldn't be leaving the game with post-concussion syndrome and regret. I don't hate Downie anymore. I hate the system that creates Downie's and then claims it's personal responsibility to dangle the opportunity of millions of dollars doing what you love to callously hurt people and be hurt in return.



Holy shit. That Downie hit on McAmmond was one of those most vicious things I ever saw. And it was in an exhibition game !
 

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What a joke this guy is.. concussed multiple players himself throughout his career. Spams twitter and gets extremely defensive/angry towards people.

Hard to take someone like that seriously.
This is the problem i has with him. He is so aggressive about it and towards people that has nothing to do with it.

Former NHL player Dan Carcillo says he is joining the landmark concussion lawsuit against the National Hockey League.
"I'm not a bitter guy looking to hurt the NHL," Carcillo told TSN's Rick Westhead. "I'm not out for money.
"I'll donate anything I get to research. I just want to put pressure on the NHL and educate and advocate for guys."
https://www.tsn.ca/carcillo-joins-nhl-concussion-lawsuit-1.1036444

If he actually is going to donate everything he eventually gets to research than good for him but i think its extremely american to sue the NHL for this. Soccer leagues in Europe started to get really strict on some tackles and give straight red cards for stuff that was always a yellow card previously around 2015. Previously it had almost always only been a yellow card and they did this because those tackles were/are dangerous and can easily create very bad injuries. If players tried to sue the league for that it would be laughed at, its so american to sue for stuff like this.

I understand why the NHL arent very open about it because they need more research to get more info on it and in USA you get sued for everything.... I understand the NHL´s position but its stupid to deny head injuries possibly causing longterm problems.

Would have been much better if they just where very open about everything and the players understood the risk, which i already think they do btw. They are grown ups, they understand getting completely smoked in the head isnt good for you. Its a part of the game getting hit and injured, im not saying thats good but it will happen as long as we allow hitting like today. I would 100% play pro and take the risk if i was good enough.
 

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I never said i had a problem with him beeing passionate about concussions. Difference between that and spamming it everywhere and attacking people for no reason like he did with Paul Bissonette which was just stupid of him.



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1) I don't consider that spamming. If it is, then replying to any tweet is. He asked a question of Bissonette, which is the opposite of spamming, which is not engaging in a discussion at all.
2)He didn't attack Bissonette. He asked him why he did something. You can agree with Bisonette, or Carcillo, or neither. But I don't see the stupidity in it that you see.
 

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Where? Show us where? Hes blaming everyone but himself. If thats not a hypocrite then I don't know what is. If I punched u in the face right now and years later I said Guys we can't be punching each other in the face, Guys Like NJGoalie are the reason for punches in the face, if he wasn't an idiot then people wouldn't get punched in the face.... ya sounds pretty damn stupid
In your world people must have the same opinion of something 10 years later?

I totally agree that as a player Carcillo was bad for the game. But would we rather he now say wrong things and have wrong opinions because of what he did in the past?

Is it better if 10 years after being arrested for drunk driving and killing someone, the drunk driver stands up and says "Yeah, I think people should drive drunk. I did it. It's cool and fun?"
 
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Dr Quincy

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What a joke this guy is.. concussed multiple players himself throughout his career. Spams twitter and gets extremely defensive/angry towards people.

Hard to take someone like that seriously.
He should have been punished at the time for his actions in the past.
What does that have to do with what he's saying now?
We have 2 choices: Player who concusses people in the past now says we have to do more to stop it and protect layers.

OR

Player who concusses people in the past says "Concussions are great, we need more of them."

I opt for scenario 1.
 
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Lol So disingenuous. These lawsuits against sports leagues are a complete joke. There's a reason why you got paid what you did. What did you expect this sport was ? Ballet? Plus there's still a lot to learn about concussion. But Yah let's only blame the pro league for your issues...
 

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1) I don't consider that spamming. If it is, then replying to any tweet is. He asked a question of Bissonette, which is the opposite of spamming, which is not engaging in a discussion at all.
2)He didn't attack Bissonette. He asked him why he did something. You can agree with Bisonette, or Carcillo, or neither. But I don't see the stupidity in it that you see.
Lol... He has written extremely aggressive messages to people who have done nothing wrong and the last message he wrote says it all, "mission accomplismed" because people saw the conversation. He doesnt give a shit how people feel about the way he is fronting it, he is writing bad stuff to alot people for not beeing as into this topic as him. Not because they are denying it but because they arent as devoted to it as him.

Carcillo called Bissonnette a phony for not having him on the podcast only two weeks after Bissonnette said he could come on in the future and talk about it. Because when it comes to "human issues, Carcillo thought they should get him on right away". He is disrespecting tons of people instead of taking a more humble approach to it when he is talking and discussing it with people who has done nothing wrong and often would be happy to help until he behaves the way he does....

His approach hurts him alot imo, its specially stupid to behave the way he does when he played the way he did...
Btw i fully support finding out more about this issue and helping people out, but i fully understand why people dont like the way he is doing it.
 
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Dr Quincy

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Lol So disingenuous. These lawsuits against sports leagues are a complete joke. There's a reason why you got paid what you did. What did you expect this sport was ? Ballet? Plus there's still a lot to learn about concussion. But Yah let's only blame the pro league for your issues...

Because your services provide entertainment, and tv networks are willing to shell out $$ to broadcast that entertainment. If you want to put on the SPC "You are being hired to turn your brain into oatmeal" then go ahead and get that collectively bargained.

Your take is a popular one, but it goes against employment law.

You probably drive a car every day. The risks of dying are great. 1 in 272. If another driver is negligient, and blows through a stop sign and kills you, is that just a "Hey you knew the risks. What did you expect?" OR is there legal liability by a negligient person?

The suits are perfectly valid. Assumption of the risk is not a get out of jail free card for someone who acts negligiently. Being a firefighter is dangerous, but if the fire department bys trucks with faulty brakes, or secretly gets suits wthat aren't flame proof... are those risks that were inherent in the job, that the firefighter knew of and made an informed decision to assume? Or is that negligient of the department and they they have some liability?

These things are the facts of the case and are the things that each side can present in court in front of a judge or jury. That judge or jury can decide whose facts to believe, how much weight to give to all the different facts, and how much liability each party has.

That system isn't perfect, but it's a much better system than asking: "What does the HF Boards user I'm Never Wrong Think about this? Ok, there you go,we'll just go with his opinion."
 

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I see nothing wrong with it.

The NHL is acting like CTE doesn't exist and has the worst Concussion protocol in all of major sports.

I hope more ex-NHL'ers and current NHL'ers re-tweet his stuff more.

As for him as a player - People need to realize that the teams basically "Created" him, he was a player that was told hey if you do this, you'll make it, ok now that you've made it, you have to do this too now, so he did. If people think that isn't what teams want from players, they're more out to lunch than the NHL thinking CTE is made up.

Agreed. People can argue that the information is out there, and yes to a degree it was, but it's also been evolving at a rapid pace.

Plus you have the NHL Commissioner saying as recently as this season that the science regarding concussions and CTE is unclear. And owners like the Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs saying in a deposition in 2015 he didn't know what CTE was. Or Kings owner Anschultz said in a deposition that same year he wasn't aware of CTE and what it was.

For better and worse, hockey still has a lot of old school mentality. Be a good soldier. Shake it off and get back out there. When your coach taps you on the shoulder, hop over the boards and do what you know he wants you to do. It's not like anyone is sitting these kids down and explaining to them the risks and potential lifelong affects that come with concussions.

I'd never defend Carcillo as a player, but what he's doing now is good. And he's not calling for an end to the NHL. He's asking for better treatment of current and former players, including treatments that should allow them to return to the ice sooner.
 
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In your world people must have the same opinion of something 10 years later?

I totally agree that as a player Carcillo was bad for the game. But would we rather he now say wrong things and have wrong opinions because of what he did in the past?

Is it better if 10 years after being arrested for drunk driving and killing someone, the drunk driver stands up and says "Yeah, I think people should drive drunk. I did it. It's cool and fun?"

no that person needs to say I drank and drove, my mistake killed someone, what Carcillo is doing is, not admitting he drank and drove, while blaming liquor companies for selling liquor
 

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Because your services provide entertainment, and tv networks are willing to shell out $$ to broadcast that entertainment. If you want to put on the SPC "You are being hired to turn your brain into oatmeal" then go ahead and get that collectively bargained.

Your take is a popular one, but it goes against employment law.

You probably drive a car every day. The risks of dying are great. 1 in 272. If another driver is negligient, and blows through a stop sign and kills you, is that just a "Hey you knew the risks. What did you expect?" OR is there legal liability by a negligient person?

The suits are perfectly valid. Assumption of the risk is not a get out of jail free card for someone who acts negligiently. Being a firefighter is dangerous, but if the fire department bys trucks with faulty brakes, or secretly gets suits wthat aren't flame proof... are those risks that were inherent in the job, that the firefighter knew of and made an informed decision to assume? Or is that negligient of the department and they they have some liability?

These things are the facts of the case and are the things that each side can present in court in front of a judge or jury. That judge or jury can decide whose facts to believe, how much weight to give to all the different facts, and how much liability each party has.

That system isn't perfect, but it's a much better system than asking: "What does the HF Boards user I'm Never Wrong Think about this? Ok, there you go,we'll just go with his opinion."
Driving a car an dying via a negligent driver is the is wrong analogy. The HOCKEY equivalent of that would be something like bertuzzi on moore, which is hardly the norm. In regards to concussion issues from hockey? A correct correlation would be attaining something like back problems from NORMAL every day driving (not sure if this is even a thing). Body contract is NORMAL in hockey. Fighting is NORMAL! The consequences of fighting are obvious. Do mma fighters or boxers sue their organizations for their issues after the fact? Did Muhammad Ali become rich off suing all the boxing promotions? The NHL reprimends illegal plays. They have measures in place to force players to wear helmets and protective equipment. How is the nhl responsible if a grinder drops the gloves often to remain relevant? If you're telling the nhl to ban fighting you might have a case...but Carrillo has always been a willing participant to engage in such physicality. These frivolous lawsuits need to stop. A physical sport with fighting may have obvious repercussions in a person's career. How is the NHL to blame? It's Like a gladiator getting angry for getting stabbed. It's a joke. Also I'm pretty sure the NHL has done really good work trying to mitigate head injuries with suspensions, quiet rooms etc. The understanding of concussions is relatively new as well, but as we learn more the league's are adapting across the board.
 
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Driving a car an dying via a negligent driver is the is wrong analogy. The HOCKEY equivalent of that would be something like bertuzzi on moore, which is hardly the norm. In regards to concussion issues from hockey? A correct correlation would be attaining something like back problems from NORMAL every day driving (not sure if this is even a thing). Body contract is NORMAL in hockey. Fighting is NORMAL! The consequences of fighting are obvious. Do mma fighters or boxers sue their organizations for their issues after the fact? Did Muhammad Ali become rich off suing all the boxing promotions? The NHL reprimends illegal plays. They have measures in place to force players to wear helmets and protective equipment. How is the nhl responsible if a grinder drops the gloves often to remain relevant? If you're telling the nhl to ban fighting you might have a case...but Carrillo has always been a willing participant to engage in such physicality. These frivolous lawsuits need to stop. A physical sport with fighting may have obvious repercussions in a person's career. How is the NHL to blame? It's Like a gladiator getting angry for getting stabbed. It's a joke. Also I'm pretty sure the NHL has done really good work trying to mitigate head injuries with suspensions, quiet rooms etc. The understanding of concussions is relatively new as well, but as we learn more the league's are adapting across the board.
Again I want to see you argue that in court. I guarantee you that your case will end up being as successful as that idiot WWE doctor who sued CM Punk and Colt Cabana. Oh and the league that you are claiming is becoming progressive on this issue still denies that CTE exists.
 
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