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CapitalsCupReality
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Because aside from his good stretch at the beginning of the season he's been a plug and an anchor that does in fact, kill plays with his tunnel vision and half assed shooting while providing at best inconsistent physicality if that. Of course, some people will love him no matter what he does on the ice because he's a "Leader of Men" and spoke ill of Semin, for some that's enough to become a fan for life.
Carlzner
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+ Tom Wilson. Just a monster.
+ Ovechkin and Backstrom were both great as well
+ Carlson and Niskanen both had very very solid games, Niskanen had some great plays to save a few goals.
+ Holtby
- Brouwer on the 2nd line... just kept killing possession.
+ Ovechkin and Backstrom were both great as well
+ Carlson and Niskanen both had very very solid games, Niskanen had some great plays to save a few goals.
+ Holtby
- Brouwer on the 2nd line... just kept killing possession.
CapitalsCupReality
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Calling out Semin was a bonus. Brouwer isn't the best player, but he's among the best the Caps have. Thank McPhee. We have to make due with what we have.
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Brouwer is terrible. That's why people don't like him.
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Calling out Semin certainly made our team better, can't argue with that..
Brouwer sucks. If he wasn't from the right side of the pond you'd want him off the team years ago. He kills whatever line he is on at even strength almost as bad as Laich does and lays tissue-soft hits that don't accomplish anything. Tom Wilson, Joel Ward, even Jason Chimera, those are good players. Brouwer is not one of them.
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artilector
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Agreed.
Always thought that our lower-tier grinders are just as good as Laich and Brouwer, and certainly give a far better bang for the buck.
Chimmer has speed and decent board work. Ward is excellent on the boards with a nose for the net. Beagle has a great motor. Fehr can forecheck well and also has a good shot. Wilson obviously has outstanding physicality. So they each add a specific dimension to the team. The only thing that Laich & Brouwer have is perhaps somewhat better shots than average grinders and maybe in Laichs case marginally better defensive positioning. To me its clear that they are the wrong kind of grinders/complements -- expensive and not outstanding in any way.
Brouwer doesn't kill possession and is not terrible. However, I think he is much more suited for a 3rd line role if we were able to bring in a bonafide top 6 winger which I have been begging for since this offseason.
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The best thing Brouwer does is win draws. He is an anchor on the second line like literally. It's been 3 years and the only time he hasn't been the second line RW is when they actually think he can play on the top line. 
In a one for one swap what could Brouwer return? If Boston called offering Louie Ericsson would you?
In a one for one swap what could Brouwer return? If Boston called offering Louie Ericsson would you?
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There's a bit too much harshin' on Brouwer here IMO. He didn't have his best game last night - misplayed some good opportunities and outright sabotaged others. But the guy is right on pace for the 20 goals and 40-45 points he's slotted for, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him bounce back on Saturday.
Last night was encouraging - strong game from the 1st line, not just the points they put up but they were driving play and maintaining possession as well as they have all year. The Chim-SuperBeagle-Ward line was bestial, with the entirety of several shifts spent in the Avs zone and establishing a tempo that the Avs couldn't match and which seemed to energize other lines. Thought Orpik played very well last night. Most reassuring of all was that Holtby played a good, calm, solid game in the net.
Tuesday was a win and not much else aside from Holtby's performance. Last night was offered some hope that these guys might get their act together.
But Saturday is the ultimate trap game - a terri-bad team with loads of AHLers who will work their butts off every shift, and now they have the added incentive of avoiding the wrath of Nolan. If the Caps saunter in with that mindset of "We're too skilled and talented to have to share the same ice as these AHL scrubs" attitude that we've seen all too often when they get a little success, we'll lose and it'll be steps forward/steps back all over again.
Not being negative here - just identifying a collective mindset obstacle that we have an opportunity to surmount tomorrow, if we prepare right.
Coach 'em up Trotz-sky - you may not know how badly they need it for tomorrow night's game. But many of us here do.
Last night was encouraging - strong game from the 1st line, not just the points they put up but they were driving play and maintaining possession as well as they have all year. The Chim-SuperBeagle-Ward line was bestial, with the entirety of several shifts spent in the Avs zone and establishing a tempo that the Avs couldn't match and which seemed to energize other lines. Thought Orpik played very well last night. Most reassuring of all was that Holtby played a good, calm, solid game in the net.
Tuesday was a win and not much else aside from Holtby's performance. Last night was offered some hope that these guys might get their act together.
But Saturday is the ultimate trap game - a terri-bad team with loads of AHLers who will work their butts off every shift, and now they have the added incentive of avoiding the wrath of Nolan. If the Caps saunter in with that mindset of "We're too skilled and talented to have to share the same ice as these AHL scrubs" attitude that we've seen all too often when they get a little success, we'll lose and it'll be steps forward/steps back all over again.
Not being negative here - just identifying a collective mindset obstacle that we have an opportunity to surmount tomorrow, if we prepare right.
Coach 'em up Trotz-sky - you may not know how badly they need it for tomorrow night's game. But many of us here do.
txpd
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Here's an idea - make Brouwer our 4th line C. He's great at draws and his tunnel vision would be less damaging playing with plugs.
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He's nowhere near good. The amount of possessions he kills with bad passes is just ridiculous. He also makes a ton of bad plays in the d-zone that leads to extended zone time for the opposition, but everyone just ignores it because he's supposed to be good defensively.
He's simply not a top-6er, and he's not as good of a 3rd line RW as Ward. I can't wait for the day he's traded. He's the problem with the Caps... players with size who don't play to it. He racks up soft bump "hits", never gets any deflection or rebound goals at EV, and overall just doesn't play a tough game. He's an average grinder who tries to play like a skill player, and absolutely sucks because of it.
Put any non-John Scott right-handed shot in his spot on the PP and they're likely potting 20 goals. Brouwer brings nothing to this team other than face off wins. It hurts to watch him bring down an entire line night in and night out.
At least Laich knows he sucks and goes to the net.
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I can buy in to some of the Brouwer criticism. He doesn't play with enough jam, he spends way too much time in the offensive zone away from the crease, and he has a penchant for air-balling golden chances.
But much of the garbage in this thread goes way too far. I suspect it stems from a couple of factors:
-There's a portion of this board that believes anyone who is a purported 'leader' should be a flawless player.
-There's a strong misconception of what constitutes and NHL top-6 player. Some top-6ers from last season with comparable (or worse) production to Brouwer: Andrew Shaw, Justin Williams, Brian Gionta, Brendan Gallagher, Patrik Berglund, Jameie McGinn, Nick Bonino, Andrew Cogliano, Tommy Wingels. That is far from an exhaustive list, as I only looked at 100+ point teams.
I can certainly concede that he's not an ideal option on PP1, and that in the very near future, he could be an ideal candidate to move in a trade.
But the anchor talk is nonsense. He's been part of the line most consistent at creating chances in the offensive zone this season and the #fancystats don't support the statement.
But much of the garbage in this thread goes way too far. I suspect it stems from a couple of factors:
-There's a portion of this board that believes anyone who is a purported 'leader' should be a flawless player.
-There's a strong misconception of what constitutes and NHL top-6 player. Some top-6ers from last season with comparable (or worse) production to Brouwer: Andrew Shaw, Justin Williams, Brian Gionta, Brendan Gallagher, Patrik Berglund, Jameie McGinn, Nick Bonino, Andrew Cogliano, Tommy Wingels. That is far from an exhaustive list, as I only looked at 100+ point teams.
I can certainly concede that he's not an ideal option on PP1, and that in the very near future, he could be an ideal candidate to move in a trade.
But the anchor talk is nonsense. He's been part of the line most consistent at creating chances in the offensive zone this season and the #fancystats don't support the statement.
The hate for Brouwer here is idiotic and irrational. Before the 1st line got their **** together the 2nd line was our only real source of 5v5 offense. He is very much so a positive possession player. Could we upgrade him and improve our team? Yes obviously, but he is one part of this team that we don't need to worry about. You know what you're going to get from him (20+ goals, 45 points) and he goes out and does it every night.
The fancy stats do support Brouwer which makes the whole "possession anchor talk" even more stupid. Does he fit flawlessly with Backstrom, Laich, etc? No, but he has seemingly found his spot with the two Swedes.
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You have seen his possession numbers over the past 3 seasons, right? Every line he's ever been on has done better away from him for the most part.
He simply doesn't contribute anything that someone couldn't do for millions of dollars cheaper. He's a complete nonfactor.
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